tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post1140749153839588385..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Fr. Barron and Mark Shea and Balthasar are WrongBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-4485402683001276312015-12-26T16:04:40.901-05:002015-12-26T16:04:40.901-05:00Haha. God knows. But it doesn't change any of ...Haha. God knows. But it doesn't change any of the facts about Robert Barron or BaltazarBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55176479535824409742015-12-26T15:58:15.908-05:002015-12-26T15:58:15.908-05:00Michael Voris is as straight as a $3 billMichael Voris is as straight as a $3 billChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659303473850130458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-38396136450484886582015-07-17T08:41:45.864-04:002015-07-17T08:41:45.864-04:00I forgot the rich man and the robber on the left s...I forgot the rich man and the robber on the left side.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-59279825404273685152015-07-17T08:38:49.421-04:002015-07-17T08:38:49.421-04:00"that the Church's alleged "silence&...<i>"that the Church's alleged "silence" on the definitive presence of anyone in Hell is not due to any support for the empty-hell theory, but due to the fact that the definitive presence of any one soul in Hell is not part of Divine Revelation and therefore outside the pale of the Church's competence to define."</i><br /><br />One named man at least : Judas Ischariot.<br /><br />Quite arguably a few others : Herod Agrippa who died while accepting divine worship, Antiochus Epiphanes, Nimrod.<br /><br />Two presumably men (or at least one of them a man) unnamed : False Prophet and Beast (the word Antichrist is used usually of Beast in tradition, but is not forreign to false prophet either).<br /><br />We have not been told who will fill these roles, except indirectly by a reference to gematria. Apocalypse 13:18.<br /><br />But these roles will be filled.<br /><br />I have some ideas of how present persons (or one of them) might be identified.<br /><br />Also, Our Lord said more walk the broad road than who walk the narrow one. Implying sth about the number of the lost, I would say.<br /><br />If the statement were only true about one given moment, the trend might be reversed, but it seems He meant "at any given moment" (excepting perhaps when Adam and Eve were alone outside Eden and already penitent).<br /><br />Only since those dying are less numerous than the rest could one hope for lots of last-moment conversions, and these are very much less likely outside the Catholic Church and Catholics are a minority world wide anyway, though a larger one than any other.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87654430871862258542013-12-03T20:58:23.311-05:002013-12-03T20:58:23.311-05:00Sad to say, the teaching of Blessed Pius IX is not...Sad to say, the teaching of Blessed Pius IX is not that popular these days - not ecumenical enough, too Catholic. <br /><br />Your weblog is a delight. <br /><br />James https://www.blogger.com/profile/10778088696977639132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-89561635832306807652013-11-06T14:04:09.416-05:002013-11-06T14:04:09.416-05:00For the sake of discussion I wanted to share my re...For the sake of discussion I wanted to share my response to Voris from the other side of the aisle. For anyone interested please read my article addressing Voris' video:<br />http://thebackporchpundits.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/defending-the-faith-from-the-faithful/comment-page-1/#comment-86Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02724640880889460215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-15201426680459884372013-11-05T19:20:34.004-05:002013-11-05T19:20:34.004-05:00Dear Boniface,
Thank you for your answer on Dr. S...Dear Boniface,<br /><br />Thank you for your answer on Dr. Scott Hahn's comments.<br /><br />Great posts!,<br />NCBNCBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357766078220591235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-67343383047018324602013-11-05T16:55:35.252-05:002013-11-05T16:55:35.252-05:00Anonymous wrote:
"And we should also pray th...Anonymous wrote:<br /><br />"And we should also pray that the Holy Spirit comes to us and opens our eyes to the truth."<br /><br />Yes, the Holy Ghost can open our eyes, but the Holy Ghost has been working and active in Holy Mother Church since the Church began on Pentacost in the upper room. <br /><br />All we need to know for the salvation of our souls has already been given through Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, holy popes, doctors of the Church, and the saints. It is our job to use these resources, as well as attend Holy Mass, and pray and practice sound devotions, and make proper use of the sacraments, especially that of Penance. <br /><br />If there is no Hell, as some Catholics now seem to think is a possibility, then it has all been for naught, which I refuse to believe.Enochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369786606235804817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-4291247501002678112013-11-05T16:31:55.303-05:002013-11-05T16:31:55.303-05:00It is exactly this kind of thinking "that we ...It is exactly this kind of thinking "that we could possibly not go to hell" that a lot of our sheep is lost. The very thing that will bring destruction to us Christians--no consequences to our sins. This is what the devil wants. Our complacency. <br />Why is there such urgency for us to pray, pray, pray (urged by the Virgin Mary in Medjugorje and Fatima) if there is no need to fear? If we don't believe in Medjugorje and Fatima and praying for each other, then what makes us different from the Protestants?<br />We have to start accepting the truth that our church is going to be infiltrated by the evil one. That's why we pray for our priests. To protect them. And we also should pray that the Holy Spirit comes to us and open our eyes to the truth.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-28249346339332254222013-11-05T14:28:59.499-05:002013-11-05T14:28:59.499-05:00Zachaeus:
Unfortunately, you seem to be bound ha...Zachaeus: <br /><br />Unfortunately, you seem to be bound hand and foot by <a href="http://veniaminov.blogspot.com/2009/03/when-arguments-attack.html" rel="nofollow">the usual Kantian claptrap</a>. We can believe in divine revelation, therefore faith in God is impossible. Codgitator (Cadgertator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00872093788960965392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55453101987051330862013-11-05T13:35:50.570-05:002013-11-05T13:35:50.570-05:00Jenna wrote:
"The great commission is to spr...Jenna wrote:<br /><br />"The great commission is to spread the good news. They [Apostles] didn't go out like the Calvinists do and tell everyone else that they are going to hell."<br /><br />The Catholic Church teaches that while we are allowed to have fear of Hell, it is better to avoid sin because of love of God, and that we don't want to displease Him. But not everyone can avoid sin out of love for God. Catholic do not have the tendency to go arounf like the Calvinists and tell everyone that they are going to hell. This is an exaggeration on your part, Jenna. <br /><br />Fr. Barron's position is more Protestant than Catholic. Many Protestants believe in justification; in that a Christian only need believe in Jesus to be saved. But if this is the case, why would there be a need to grow in holiness? There wouldn't be a need at all, since all are saved anyway. Sin wouoldn't exist, either, since salvation is guaranteed, no matter what. <br /><br />I do agree that there needs to be a balance. But those of us who insist that there is a Hell and that we can easily end up there if we aren't careful are not denying God's justice and mercy. They go hand in hand. What need would there even be of mercy if all are to be saved anyway?Enochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08369786606235804817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-4974991215854170222013-11-05T13:30:53.686-05:002013-11-05T13:30:53.686-05:00Is it not a truism that all believers must constru...Is it not a truism that all believers must construct an understanding of God as best they can? I am all I have. I worship God through the corridors of life and animation of the self. It is an absolute necessity that I exercise personal discernment of all constructs of faith. Hell is near the top of the list. History teaches that fear has always been the ultimate master teacher. Compliance is the outcome, fear of Hell is the methodology. A human construct no doubt. Robert James McLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07816786530010112755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-30780242936913381872013-11-05T01:31:49.444-05:002013-11-05T01:31:49.444-05:00'I have noted that when discussing this with B...'I have noted that when discussing this with Balthasarians, though, they try to frame the discussion in an ad hominem way ("What, so you WANT people to go to Hell!? That's not very charitable!")' yep, that is a very good observation. I have found the same to be true. Balthasar apparently was very concerned with how people felt knowing that their relatives who quit coming to Mass were going to hell and his theology was the 'solution' to make them feel better. so, the whole thing is VERY MUCH based on feelings. that's why it doesn't make any sense and offends piety as someone said on up the page.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679981021081052320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-74623835051937332232013-11-05T00:54:04.079-05:002013-11-05T00:54:04.079-05:00Pope St. Pius X: “Our Predecessor, Benedict XIV, h...Pope St. Pius X: “Our Predecessor, Benedict XIV, had just cause to write: “We declare that a great number of those who are condemned to eternal punishment suffer that everlasting calamity because of ignorance of those mysteries of faith which must be known and believed in order to be numbered among the elect.”” (Acerbo Nimis)<br /><br />Here Pius X and Benedict XIV affirm that some people do end up losing their souls and that some of them do so because of their ignorance of the saving mysteries.<br /><br />--Chris, the waffling ex-sedevacantistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-28715228375084984372013-11-04T18:05:40.966-05:002013-11-04T18:05:40.966-05:00"But though He died for all, yet all do not r..."But though He died for all, yet all do not receive the benefit of His death, but those only to whom the merit of His passion is communicated."Anselmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-46865697813058170622013-11-04T17:35:40.265-05:002013-11-04T17:35:40.265-05:00Sorry, Palpy. I did think it sounded Star Wars-ish...Sorry, Palpy. I did think it sounded Star Wars-ish after the fact.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-77700118495524981742013-11-04T16:52:29.181-05:002013-11-04T16:52:29.181-05:00By Gandalf's sparkly beard, Boniface. I was on...By Gandalf's sparkly beard, Boniface. I was only joking. It's a Star Wars reference.Palpynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-3184449193451940422013-11-04T16:28:31.333-05:002013-11-04T16:28:31.333-05:00Palpy,
I don't know what you're getting ...Palpy, <br /><br />I don't know what you're getting at...not feeling that anyone here is "angry". I have noted that when discussing this with Balthasarians, though, they try to frame the discussion in an ad hominem way ("What, so you WANT people to go to Hell!? That's not very charitable!") by God, I do not want anybody to go to Hell, but at the same time, I think I would be naive to suggest it doesn't happen.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-5828535711493765002013-11-04T15:49:05.911-05:002013-11-04T15:49:05.911-05:00Yes, yes, more comments! Good, good... I can feel ...Yes, yes, more comments! Good, good... I can feel your anger...Palpynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-54776929127761192242013-11-04T15:19:02.377-05:002013-11-04T15:19:02.377-05:00Nico,
You should read Alyssa Lyra Pitstick's ...Nico,<br /><br />You should read Alyssa Lyra Pitstick's book on Balthasar and the Descent. In that work, she goes over the Church's understanding of the Limbo of the fathers and demonstrates that the fact that the wicked were in torment but the Fathers were not and could be translated to heaven eventually is not an argument that they are two different places, but she does say that even in that temporary spot, the wicked were already experiencing the pains of Hell.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76617082529505537272013-11-04T14:28:20.595-05:002013-11-04T14:28:20.595-05:00Boniface, well, the fathers could cross from there...Boniface, well, the fathers could cross from there to heaven after Redemption. And it seems a permanent prohibition that of Abraham. I don't know much theology, but I did read "The Divine Comedy", and there weren't fire in the limbo. Neither suffering.<br /><br />Nico.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-19667328866059512782013-11-04T14:17:20.371-05:002013-11-04T14:17:20.371-05:00I noted in that thread that Jesus talked a lot mor...I noted in that thread that Jesus talked a lot more about hell than of heaven (some 90 references). But someone even disputed *that*! I couldn't believe it. I thought it was rather common knowledge.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-37762653453788517532013-11-04T13:22:29.003-05:002013-11-04T13:22:29.003-05:00Not the God I worship!
Dear Zacheaus. Agreed. You...<i>Not the God I worship!</i><br /><br />Dear Zacheaus. Agreed. You do not worship the God of revelation but a God of your own construct; that is you worship your own self.<br /><br />There is still time to repent; don't waste it building and burning ideological straw men.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-4596173243854485582013-11-04T13:15:03.167-05:002013-11-04T13:15:03.167-05:00Nico,
Interestingly enough, in Spe Salvi, BXVI s...Nico, <br /><br />Interestingly enough, in Spe Salvi, BXVI seems to suggest that passage refers to the Limbo of the Fathers, not to Hell of the damned.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-12115933813097235822013-11-04T13:12:48.129-05:002013-11-04T13:12:48.129-05:00And what about Luc. 16; 19-31?
[24] And he called...And what about Luc. 16; 19-31?<br /><br />[24] And he called out, `Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz'arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.' <br />[25] But Abraham said, `Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Laz'arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. <br />[26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' <br /><br />NicoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com