tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post2771909361127303333..comments2024-03-18T15:16:08.163-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: The Ox, Ass, and the Master's CribBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27785104360446491922016-12-24T04:40:00.359-05:002016-12-24T04:40:00.359-05:00Merry Christmas.Merry Christmas.Karlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-85173743169182996652016-12-23T18:00:00.892-05:002016-12-23T18:00:00.892-05:00That's true. But I think the fact that it was ...That's true. But I think the fact that it was not just animals in general but these particular animals infers it was a kind of iconographic symbol. I agree they totally could have been there though. Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-2389657157388488452016-12-23T17:08:29.896-05:002016-12-23T17:08:29.896-05:00"But the ox and the ass in depictions of the ..."But the ox and the ass in depictions of the Nativity were never meant to infer the historical presence of these creatures at the birth of Jesus."<br /><br />That's presumptuous. How do you know what the artist intended? I think that the medievals believed that animals were "historically present". <br /><br />O great mystery,<br />and wonderful sacrament,<br />that animals should see the new-born Lord,<br />lying in a manger!<br />Blessed is the Virgin whose womb<br />was worthy to bear<br />our Saviour, Jesus Christ.<br />Alleluia!<br /><br />The literal and allegorical readings are not mutually exclusive. The animals can both be there literally and at the same time have an allegorical meaning.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-52550486926497989942016-12-22T20:39:08.990-05:002016-12-22T20:39:08.990-05:00Found it! These two posts from Fr. Hunwicke:
http...Found it! These two posts from Fr. Hunwicke:<br />http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2014/12/not-crib-again.html<br />http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2014/12/peritome-answer.htmlHrodgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11052168727776803292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-44086417242108211722016-12-22T17:48:45.978-05:002016-12-22T17:48:45.978-05:00I have also seen it claimed, though the source elu...I have also seen it claimed, though the source eludes me at present, that the ox represents the circumcised and the ass the Gentiles.Hrodgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11052168727776803292noreply@blogger.com