tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post353771073157543399..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: The Vice of EffeminacyBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-10830351192470438562020-12-10T22:04:35.225-05:002020-12-10T22:04:35.225-05:00This is a joke, right?This is a joke, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-61803041900553350432020-04-08T16:28:17.793-04:002020-04-08T16:28:17.793-04:00If those physical traits are a sign of effeminacy,...If those physical traits are a sign of effeminacy, particularly an indication of potential homosexuality, the Bishop cannot train that out of the seminarian. Perhaps that is one reason for the prevalence of homosexual priests who have been exposed through acts of sexual abuse upon minors etc. It may not have been clearly understood by the Church hierarchy that homosexuality is not a random choice but rather an inherent trait of individuals with very complex contributing factors.<br /><br />I question the validity of the association between physical and moral effeminacy, where is the evidence for this claim of yours?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06320537018482363926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-70140340575247878232017-03-12T21:11:06.746-04:002017-03-12T21:11:06.746-04:00I was starting to think I was the only one who cou...I was starting to think I was the only one who could read corinthians or see this as a major problem; possibly apostacy.<br />Almost every time I try to bring up issues in the Church even to Priests I get the / a "Love" speech in a very effeminate way...<br />They say the peace of the Lord is upon you, but all I feel is weight and pain.<br />Why is it every time I go to church these days I feel as if they are attempting to seduce?<br />Is anybody going to fix this problem; what do we need? a massive exorcism....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03895093845153529491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25458788752424922742015-09-12T18:17:49.335-04:002015-09-12T18:17:49.335-04:00I'm always amazed just how effeminate the enem...I'm always amazed just how effeminate the enemy has become since the French Revolution. One has to observe that if we replayed that conflict with the current crop of leftists, the Ancien regime would win with only a constabulary. Clear Watershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01067495451323861530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27048799638723850162015-09-04T10:16:45.694-04:002015-09-04T10:16:45.694-04:00It can be very complicated though because the phys...It can be very complicated though because the physical effeminacy can (and often is) a sign or aspect of moral effeminacy.<br /><br />In the article I cited about effeminacy in seminaries, if a man demonstrated physically effeminate traits (lisping, limp-wristedness, feminine voice, etc), the bishop actually forced them to take training to change those traits.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-91608034415922265962015-09-04T10:14:54.935-04:002015-09-04T10:14:54.935-04:00I think you might want to distinguish between mora...I think you might want to distinguish between moral effeminacy (the kind that St. Thomas Aquinas talks about) and effeminacy in how one carries oneself (the kind we just "know it when we see it" and what we usually mean by effeminate in our modern day way of speaking).<br /><br />A guy can be a rough and tough guy in the way he carries himself but still be morally effeminate in the sense that Aquinas talks about, in that he refuses to give up certain vices because he is addicted to the pleasure. And in the opposite way, a man may have a gay lisp, voice, or even face (like the dude in that picture) that he can't at all help but still demonstrate the virtue of perseverance by observing God's laws.<br /><br />With that said, I think effeminacy in how one carries oneself is defect in character, or a personality disorder. Not a vice. It doesn't mean it's OK or should be shrugged off, I just think we're mixing up a term (effeminate) that is used in two very distinct and different senses. Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-23520779839358745162015-08-31T17:29:09.564-04:002015-08-31T17:29:09.564-04:00Dear Brother Boniface. Keep up your great work.
A...Dear Brother Boniface. Keep up your great work.<br /><br />Amateur Brain Surgeon also cited the work of a great re this pestilential perversion.<br /><br />It is impossible for a restoration to occur owing to the prevalence of perverts with control inside the One True Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.<br /><br />http://thenesciencentnepenthene.blogspot.com/2015/02/proximate-cause-of-effeminacy-amongst.htmlMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25023440200186447452015-08-31T16:34:14.617-04:002015-08-31T16:34:14.617-04:00Machismo would be the contrary parallel...although...Machismo would be the contrary parallel...although I would suggest, at least in my country, that characteristic is not nearly as big a problem as effeminacy.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-56881537525230135932015-08-31T16:30:25.902-04:002015-08-31T16:30:25.902-04:00'The point is to understand why this trait is ...'The point is to understand why this trait is considered vicious and how it relates to the other virtue which is its contrary.'<br /><br />Note well, that the opposite vice machismo - a hyped-up version of ordinary masculinity, rather than a diminution of it - is a vice most marked in many women with a same-gender sexual affection, attraction, or acceptance aka 'Lesbians' of the non-feminine sort, or 'homosexual women' as a pseudo-science (fictive) definition of psychological traits.<br /><br />The British and other cultures, not least in a Catholic perspective, have had a genuinely affectionate if gently mocking acceptance for effeminate males (less so for aggressively butch women) - also an at times unspoken aversion to knocking it out of them, as children, either by brute force or scientific manipulation. <br /><br />Softness in men can be a major drawback, where a hard-headed determination is required; it can also be a much needed attribute, with regard to the heart, in dealing with other people - and that is the problem you seem to face .. how to allow for beneficial softness without undermining the ability to take tough blows.<br /><br />Our work culture, school life, and political environment also - unlike almost any other in history - is built around only the softer virtues, e.g. prolonged and enduring compassion, the ability to listen and intuit answers, a eagerness to be of service .. <br /><br />The world and his current husband, at large, gladly offer an imperial harem as the preferred pattern of life not a Spartan military camp, which made even ordinarily manly men (and womanly women) ready for test or toil, liking it or lumping it .. and something of an awkward relic. A Catholic seminary, however, is the Roman boot camp for learning the tough-take realities of life, self-sacrifice and the need for gentleness in due measure - it was, however, turned into a harem workshop On How To Please with remarkable ease, by determined pastors. So there is the real issue, effeminate softness in men (like brute machismo in women) is fine on the stage, or in Call Centre, even in the hospital, perhaps (with or without gender neutralised schooling) on the football field, it can have no place in a Roman Seminary or religious cell .. because the vocations are very different and because 'it is often from our outward movements that other men form their judgment about us' (not politically correct but the way things work, even in the most politically correct of environments).<br /><br />GBOPAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559188530721617753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25555277890854031972015-08-31T11:41:54.974-04:002015-08-31T11:41:54.974-04:00The most masculine priests I have met celebrate th...The most masculine priests I have met celebrate the TLM. I think that real men appreciate the military precision. One priest said that the role of the vestments is for them to sort of make the priest disappear. What is important is not his personality. He is not giving a performance. He becomes the hands of Christ. The vestments give glory to God, not to the priest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-90421284420883009462015-08-30T22:16:59.614-04:002015-08-30T22:16:59.614-04:00Thats retarded. Lace is not inherently feminine. W...Thats retarded. Lace is not inherently feminine. We are not talking about dress but a person's disposition. Vice is a habit of the soul, not what someone wears. This was clearly explained above. Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-11208150508378628382015-08-30T21:59:16.652-04:002015-08-30T21:59:16.652-04:00Excellent. While I attend the EF (Tridentine Mass...Excellent. While I attend the EF (Tridentine Mass) I am sorry to see so many effeminate men trying to get involved in it. For starters, get rid of the lace surplices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76151204751767511332015-08-29T12:25:47.102-04:002015-08-29T12:25:47.102-04:00I don't think there is a hard and fast rule, b...I don't think there is a hard and fast rule, but there is some truth to what you are saying. One of the first victories of the homosexual lobby was to divide the human race into homosexuals and heterosexuals, which seem to make a normal ordered sexual life simply one of two options.<br /><br /> That's not to say there is not different ways to refer to people who perform certain disordered actions. A person who was intemperate in drink was simply called a drunk. A person who performed homosexual actions was a sodomite. The names reflected the disordered actions these persons performance. Now names like homosexual, alcoholic, denote something different: namely That these persons are afflicted with a condition which they may not positively will. I think much of that is garbage, of course.<br /><br />There are simply people whose sexuality is more or less ordered, and then there are people who sexuality is this ordered. And that's really it. If I have to referred to them by name, I will say homosexuals as a convention, but traditionally they would just be called perverts or sodomites. Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-16854604591411492772015-08-29T11:19:34.787-04:002015-08-29T11:19:34.787-04:00Something I have been wondering for a time is, sho...Something I have been wondering for a time is, should we make use of terms like heterosexual and homosexual? You know, today all kinds exist like pansexual and the like. It seems to me we're using the enemies vocabulary and thus entering his world, but we should reject that world all-together. What sexuality am I? It doesn't matter, you can be attracted to dogs or fire-hydrants; you do the deed if you're married, and that's between a man and a woman, and all else is just distortion and irrelevant. Am I wrong?Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-83482490944669472862015-08-28T23:19:02.911-04:002015-08-28T23:19:02.911-04:00I tried to find an email address on the blog so I ...I tried to find an email address on the blog so I could share how providential this post was for me, but for a public comment I will just say thanks for writing it! It's hard to find much out there in the way of information and advice about this vice.Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06889516197512339750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87195123014781785842015-08-28T11:51:24.702-04:002015-08-28T11:51:24.702-04:00Yes, all things according to their nature. Humilit...Yes, all things according to their nature. Humility and meekness is a virtue, but it looks different in men than in women. Effeminacy is certainly not anything close to humility.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-60147391374196849242015-08-28T11:45:00.171-04:002015-08-28T11:45:00.171-04:00Excellent piece! It often happens, at least in my...Excellent piece! It often happens, at least in my experience, that effeminacy is mistaken for a virtue, especially humility or meekness. As such, the vicious are often confirmed in their vice, since they experience approbation. M.D.A. https://www.blogger.com/profile/10346973784304195666noreply@blogger.com