tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post363097513275054786..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Timing of the Council: Accident or Design?Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-41791105273859488792009-10-26T13:35:00.552-04:002009-10-26T13:35:00.552-04:00I have never accepted all of Vatican II, I believe...I have never accepted all of Vatican II, I believe it was not necessary to even call a Council. Much less a pastoral. I have always asked myself what was the crisis? I keep coming up with the only answer that the progressive 'periti's' in the Church and Hierarchy simply wanted it to pass their modern agendas. How ironic, as all who attened had taken the 'Oath against Modernism' before thier ordinations. I also believe that it has been the worst mistake the Churh as ever made, and the results is the crisis we have today. The fruits of Vatican II,loss of tradition,disbelief, chaos, confusion, disunity, distruction, ambiguity, disorder, devaluing of the most holy, dumming down of catholics of thier catholic faith. What of our catholic culture that we hear so much about these days. We lost our catholic culture and the truth that this is the Church that Christ left to his apostles,at Vatican II. We have become just another denomination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76146904667729006072009-09-21T12:55:31.262-04:002009-09-21T12:55:31.262-04:00Thanks Robin. I know what you say has some truth t...Thanks Robin. I know what you say has some truth to it, but at least within the Catholic Church, these progressive elements were already working in the early 60's, and even as far back as the 40's. It was only in the 60's that they became mainstream, and I think a similar phenomenon could be the case in the secular culture. Althought these things didn't break upon us until 67-68, they were under the surface earlier. Those in the Church certainly knew about them - also remember, the Council came out of Europe, which was experiencing a lot of this stuff earlier than the US.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-315258613031965182009-09-20T18:19:13.812-04:002009-09-20T18:19:13.812-04:00Dear Young People:
I just came across this post. ...Dear Young People:<br /><br />I just came across this post. If you were not around during that time, you may not realize that the '60's did not turn "crazy" until toward the end. Life in the early '60's was quite conservative. So I don't think anyone without benefit of hindsight could have known that the changes of Vatican II would be taking place during such a tumultuous time.<br /><br />RobinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-49005916720181947562009-08-26T19:24:55.577-04:002009-08-26T19:24:55.577-04:00Maybe.
But it could have been worse and have been ...Maybe.<br />But it could have been worse and have been scheduled for 66-69 or afterward when things were even more crazy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487525370786443338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-26690096685465637542009-08-25T23:34:53.428-04:002009-08-25T23:34:53.428-04:00The Council certainly was instrumental in pushing ...The Council certainly was instrumental in pushing the Church to the left, but the broader culture (ie, the secular world) was already moving left at the time. The Council just allowed what was happening in the world to infect the Church.<br /><br />While most Councils are called during "crappy times" , the times are crappy for different reasons. Obviously, Nicea and Trent were trying times for the Church, but there was little danger that the whole Magisterium would be taken over from within - even in Nicea, the vast majority of Bishops condemned Arianism - contrast this with the 1960's, when there was a great (and justified) fear that calling a Council would usher in the revolutionary spirit of the 1960's wholescale into the Church.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-71898453670176697112009-08-25T23:16:18.925-04:002009-08-25T23:16:18.925-04:00Either way, you have it backwards, it was the coun...Either way, you have it backwards, it was the council that pushed the culture to the left.<br /><br />Most councils are called during a "crappy" time in history, this council however wasn't very clear in many of it's teachings. It gave the appearance to many Catholics, that everything they had been taught to believe could never change, was suddenly up for grabs. This mentality came from the Church to society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-31586283737161712672009-08-25T22:59:57.143-04:002009-08-25T22:59:57.143-04:00Good Pope John....... why did you do it?Good Pope John....... why did you do it?Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-3348952667786647002009-08-25T19:31:35.239-04:002009-08-25T19:31:35.239-04:00Thanks for this posting.
I've always had a nag...Thanks for this posting.<br />I've always had a nagging feeling that the timing of the council was all "part of it" but I couldn't quite articulate why. I remember reading about a previous pope (was it Pope Pius XII?) who was urged to not call a council because the Modernists were very strong and had positioned themselves so well in high places within the Church. But a council was called very shortly after, anyway. <br /> <br />The church is always connected to every Age, but is not a part of the Age. It's not the Age that is supposed to bring the church "up to date," but then that seems to be just what happened in the 20th century. You seem to be right when you say the timing was no accident<br /><br /> I hope you keep refining your ideas if more thoughts come to you!Kris Rhttp://thesprucetunnel.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com