tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post447554522127318415..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Cor Orans: Into the WoodsBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66341276582061293532019-08-25T18:36:24.900-04:002019-08-25T18:36:24.900-04:00History provides a solution to this problem: in th...History provides a solution to this problem: in the Catholic Encyclopaedia look up "Beguines" --lay women in the Middle Ages who lived a private form of communal religious life, responsible for their own governance, finances and way of life. <br />Local bishops were really threatened by this, because they couldn't control or dictate to these women. <br /><br />The good Beguines can show 21st c. contemplatives the way forward. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-9169506474271187862018-10-30T22:06:07.695-04:002018-10-30T22:06:07.695-04:00The COR ORANS has described so beautifully about t...The COR ORANS has described so beautifully about the strict cloistered life of contemplative nuns initially which made me smile from ear to ear when I study them. I like them very much but those numbers at the end which oblige these nuns to start active participation in federations, common novitiate etc. etc. and the major superior in the federations have to take care of seven communities etc. how distracting that will be. Failing to follow the COR ORANS here , will be reported to the Holy See etc. these are threatening ways which do not look like from our dear Lord Who is infinitely kind, loving, merciful, understanding and even respect the freedom of His creatures, so ....what to do?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08108202998889675605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66687655097897724802018-10-29T21:06:17.538-04:002018-10-29T21:06:17.538-04:00Ah.... the devil is roaming over the world to des...Ah.... the devil is roaming over the world to destroy our Catholic Church , so please please do not let our Church be destroyed but allow its heart which is represented by the strict live of cloistered nuns to move on in peace and security.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08108202998889675605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-59759599162555264422018-10-29T20:55:11.912-04:002018-10-29T20:55:11.912-04:00Contemplative consecrated souls represent the HEAR...Contemplative consecrated souls represent the HEART of the Mystical Body of Christ, the CHURCH, so to oblige them to leave the strict Papal Enclosure to join federatins, etc. etc. is to move out the Hart of the Mystical Body of Christ the CHURCH, that will of-course bring death to the Church, sad indeed. Why to force the contemplative brides of Christ to turn their backs to Jesus and interrupt their continuous loving attention to Jesus? Remember what Jesus told St. Martha when she was so excited to prepare dishes for Jesus, " Martha, Martha, why are you so worry and fret about so many things? Only one thing is necessary, MARY HAS CHOSEN THE BETTER PART, IT WILL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY from her. Jesus also did confirm that " No one can serve two masters," so why to change the special strict contemplative life of nuns which has existed for so many years already to turn away from focusing as fully as possible on their close union with Jesus? If bees are forced to leave their bee-hive will any honey be found? Impossible, so please ask the Holy Father Pope Francis to allow strict contemplative nuns to continue to live their beautiful vocation as Jesus has called them to live their life hidden with Him in silence and solitude, Amen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08108202998889675605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-3884094631146221422018-09-05T20:05:40.046-04:002018-09-05T20:05:40.046-04:00Actually, Hilary is doing a great disservice to co...Actually, Hilary is doing a great disservice to contemplative monasteries by her lies and slander. MUCH of what is in Cor Orans was requested by monasteries themselves and/or has already been in place canonically. Cor Orans was needed. Just because a monastery is traditional and is getting vocations doesn't mean all is well, either.<br /><br />Most of contemplative, cloistered life is in Spain and Italy and they are full of old monasteries with a few old nuns. They often live in neglect and can't even take care of themselves but they insist on staying in their monasteries. BIshops and lay people take advantage of them and see $$$ for the property. <br /><br />Some accept unsuitable candidates to stay open. In Spain, sadly there were monasteries accepting African women and then when they didn't have vocations sending them out on the street to become prostitutes. Or communities will accept women with mental problems and then when the monastery closes because they have solemn vows other monasteries have to take them in. <br />That is one reason for the longer time of formation. <br />Often priests who do visitations miss half of what needs to be addresses whereas a nun can come in and within 24 hours see things that should be addressed for the good of the community. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-44606547038908515922018-06-18T19:13:25.020-04:002018-06-18T19:13:25.020-04:00We are having many of the same thoughts, it seems....We are having many of the same thoughts, it seems. I have had many requests for my thoughts on what they should "do", and this is the only obvious course of action. Hilary Jane Margaret Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03771332473693479830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66694716407087321212018-06-15T11:04:32.758-04:002018-06-15T11:04:32.758-04:00Very interesting line of though. If it really gets...Very interesting line of though. If it really gets as extreme as some people fear it will, I guess that is indeed the closest we will get to religious orders in the future.<br /><br />Recently I read a biography of Mother Mary Michael, one of the co-founders of the Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters (Steyl), and I thought to myself that nowadays we as laypeople might be called to make up for the prayers and penances offered in days past by fervent religious (of course according to our own abilities). They would spend day and night adoring our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and interceding for the Church and the conversion of sinners and unbelievers. So much "prayer power" was lost due to the revolution in the Church--others have to step in to restore the equilibrium.Konstantinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13701303189143549671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-17388124051278624512018-06-01T13:17:01.891-04:002018-06-01T13:17:01.891-04:00This is something I have done since 1994. After 3...This is something I have done since 1994. After 31 years in a religious community which deteriorated to the point, now, of extinction, I obtained an Indult of Departure from Rome, took private vows within the context of a Mass said my home, and wrote my own 'Ruler of Life. It is s Rule of Life based on Francis of Assisi's 'Rule for hermitages. I did this with the help of a canon lawyer and a Franciscan theologian. I have no formalized approval by theChurch, but I live as a religious and have kept my vows all these years. The important thing is to have an authentic religious lifestyle. I have grown much closer to God through this simple God-centered life and I have not had to deal with the changing bureaucratic, heretical nonsense promulgated by a liberal dioceses. Your suggestion is absolutely right on. I had the same thought when I read Hilary white's article and the contemplative nun's comments. Barbara Jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16566610653008240239noreply@blogger.com