tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post5084546721696668583..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Priests' Sober Reflections on the Traditional Mass CrowdBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-7928569512486027212022-10-25T09:59:50.083-04:002022-10-25T09:59:50.083-04:00These tendencies are real, and it’s fair to call t...These tendencies are real, and it’s fair to call them out. It’d be more helpful if pieces like these included context and appropriate response.<br /><br />Context: Why might trads act this way? Some have pointed this out and been viciously attacked for it. To explain is not to excuse. <br /><br />How many people acted this way? For priest 1, was it 5 of 75 people doing this? Or 20? <br /><br />While it’s fair to hold those fortified by tradition to a higher standard, it seems more idealistic than practical. What’s the threshold- if 5 of 75 people are obnoxious, that justifies extreme reactions like canceling the Mass or writing public pieces indicting the entire community?<br /><br />A pastoral approach would recognize the spiritual abuse these people have experienced and act accordingly. Did the priests hear them out and make reasonable efforts to respond charitably, or did they dismissively brush off those parishioners and then attack them behind their back?<br /><br />Moreover, what should we do about it? I stay off social media, curb friends’ criticisms of the Pope, encourage them to avoid Church news and politics, volunteer for the choir, and stick up for the pastor. Is it fair to label me or cancel my local tlm if the others won’t listen?<br /><br />And where’s the line? I’ve asked my pastor about adding pre55 liturgy elements and my children receiving Confirmation before Communion. Does that make me an obnoxious trad for whom nothing is ever good enough? Had he listened and given me a substantive response the first time I asked about it instead of brusquely dismissing me, I wouldn’t have continued to bring it up.Recovering Millennialhttps://recoveringmillenial.blogspot.com/?m=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-56945638521672556512022-05-31T17:51:18.510-04:002022-05-31T17:51:18.510-04:00Whether I wear a veil depends on the parish. The N...Whether I wear a veil depends on the parish. The NO congregations don’t generally foster a climate conducive to reverence. You’d be shunned for wearing a veil, sticking out like a “weirdo”. The TLM congregation is much more inclusive of people who want to be more devout. I prefer to veil bc I love feeling modest at mass. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-13362271074507530832021-06-25T00:08:15.807-04:002021-06-25T00:08:15.807-04:00YES! Spot on! What's up woth the cussing /
Fin...YES! Spot on! What's up woth the cussing /<br />Find other adjectives to express your feelings<br /> Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that <br />Thanks for bringing that up <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-56249723038329665252021-06-25T00:00:03.188-04:002021-06-25T00:00:03.188-04:00No what you've said is not correct
The commen... No what you've said is not correct <br />The commenter is in the middle of raising their family now. 2 children are still in diapers was stated within a family of 6 Children <br /> Our duty and vocation as Parent has to come first before volunteering. Our<br /> Obligations and priorities are at Home to family and homelife at this time and Parents cant not be Home with their children and off volunteering eveytime volunteers are needed<br /> Not during <br /> this precious time in life raising children <br />Theyll be time for Parish volunteer work in different stages of life as the children grow up and move out of the home. As far as setting a good example to children they can see all the work done for them at home as a good example. <br />Raising a large family takes considerable work at times that most Parents do lovingly and sacrifically and it can be tiring that any down time found its usually to unwind and recharge so you can be your best version of yourself and not stressed out and too busy syndrome. We are called to give financially to Our Parish according to our means as generously as we can<br /> The commenter said they are contributing to the Parish. Theres a time in life for everything<br /> Being off at the Parish volunteering where the commenter said they have alot on their plate raising their family now and thats truly where they need to be. Thats not an excuse. Thats the reality of their life rite now being home<br /> With their Children and homelife<br /> (if this is a Mom posting). Parents are working hard raising Saints for God and good citizens for a better world/Society. Theres only so many hours in a day and children are with us for such a short time till theyll all raised. You only get one shot at it. We were able at one time to volunteer for bingo at the Parish but it rotated and wasnt a Weekly thing. <br />It was very managable. Stuff like that might be ok once in while but now is not the time to be off volunteering for everything at the Parish Hall. Parents vocations and duties to home life is more important than ever today to teach our children rite from wrong with all the diabolical disorientation everywhere. Avemaria <br /> <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-18084811777012968732019-03-17T14:31:04.534-04:002019-03-17T14:31:04.534-04:00^No, the subtext is that, like it or not, the EF i...^No, the subtext is that, like it or not, the EF is extraordinary, and if you want something extraordinary that the pastor *doesn't have to do*, then you'd better be on your best behavior about getting it--above and beyond what is expected of NO Catholics. You have to show you are *more* charitable and patient, not less.<br /><br />I have been promoting tradition and attending TLM Masses for 11 years now, and the Traditional Catholic movement has a legitimate problem with people being whiny, sniping asses. Not everyone, to be sure, but I think people are in denial if they don't admit this is a real problem.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25548242248114199122019-03-17T14:03:12.260-04:002019-03-17T14:03:12.260-04:00There were a lot more people who abandoned saying ...There were a lot more people who abandoned saying Mass in the late 60s because they perceived Catholics to be bourgeois and hoplessly insensitive to their moral shortcomings with relatively little interest in helping the poor. Imagine if Christ gave up on being a messiah because people like St. Peter were mean-spirited and hypocritical...<br /><br />These kinds of blog posts vilifying the faithful because they are supposed to be mean-spirited, picky and bitter are often written by people who are themselves those things. They seem to be written from a template.<br /><br />These priests who found thin soil but grew enthusiastically, and were carried away by wind and rain are likely more satisfied by the low-effort but civically minded, New Catholics whose acquisitive dispositions and polite manners, keep them at a comfortable distance from their pastors, who, if the statistics can be believed, don’t even go to confession or really believe the Catholic Faith at all. <br /><br />The subtext here is that those who have the low expectations of New Catholics for their religion, make small demands on their pastor’s time and patience, and so, not being vexed, father can have the life of a nice middle class gay social worker and recreational director for the community center, organizing raffles, planning non-threatening religious events for the “Catholic” gradeschool attached to the parish etc...Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-54888553650683522972019-03-17T13:59:07.692-04:002019-03-17T13:59:07.692-04:00There were a lot more people who abandoned saying ...There were a lot more people who abandoned saying Mass in the late 60s because they perceived Catholics to be bourgeois and hoplessly insensitive to their moral shortcomings with relatively little interest in helping the poor. Imagine if Christ gave up on being a messiah because people like St. Peter were mean-spirited and hypocritical...<br /><br />These kinds of blog posts vilifying the faithful because they are supposed to be mean-spirited, picky and bitter are often written by people who are themselves those things. They seem to be written from a template.<br /><br />These priests who found thin soil but grew enthusiastically, and were carried away by wind and rain are likely more satisfied by the low-effort but civically minded, New Catholics whose acquisitive dispositions and polite manners, keep them at a comfortable distance from their pastors, who, if the statistics can be believed, don’t even go to confession or really believe the Catholic Faith at all. <br /><br />The subtext here is that those who have the low expectations of New Catholics for their religion, make small demands on their pastor’s time and patience, and so, not being vexed, father can have the life of a nice middle class gay social worker and recreational director for the community center, organizing raffles, planning non-threatening religious events for the “Catholic” gradeschool attached to the parish etc...Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-63789423659834768502018-02-27T19:01:00.077-05:002018-02-27T19:01:00.077-05:00I have been attending the traditonal Roman Mass si...I have been attending the traditonal Roman Mass since about 1979 in all its different manifestations.<br /><br />Retired diocesan priests, religous order priest thrown out by their order, diocesan priests for refusing the changes amidst the turmoil after Vatican II. One diocesan priest thrown out with no notice for not making the changes.<br /><br />Over the years, many holy 'priests in exile' said the Mass in VFW halls and basements.<br /><br />One priest returning from Hungary told us the evil Communists are vile but those in the local chancery are worse.<br />Circa 1983<br /><br />Whoever coined 'tradinstas' and<br />'toxic trads' are not far off.<br /><br />Even if a miniscule representation<br />of those who adhere to tradition.<br /><br />Three or four yrs ago, I visited the SSPX chapel near my home. A chapel that I happily attended in the 1980s, I was greeted with every manner of inquiry...<br /><br />As if to determine my trad creds.<br />I barely got the holy water on my fingers before the flurry of questions.<br /><br />"So which SSPX chapel do you attend now?"<br /><br />"You don't attend indult masses do you?"<br /><br />"You know you have to be in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion here"<br /><br />I told Mike, " bug off I'm trying to say my prayers."<br /><br />Side bar... among the nicest and most charitable TLM group was a CMRI chapel.<br />Despite the priest being very kind to my aging parents. I convinced my parents and they agreed to move on to <br />Assumption Grotto in Detroit.<br /><br />Another TLM group circa mid-80s<br />had a layman in a cassock with a propensity to see every immodest woman or teen girl.<br /><br />When he approached my 78 yr old <br />Irish-American mother to cover with a shawl... I said, "this'll be good"<br /><br />My mum had all the subtlety of a flamethrower. 'Nancy boy' never approached her again. <br /><br />When he approached the daughter of the family from Brazil for not having a long enough veil.<br /><br />The dad said in broken English,<br />"touch my daughter again and today is yer last." Classic a real man.<br />The girl was about twelve.<br /><br />As regards the snarkiness and hostility of those few trads, I can really can understand and sympathize...to an extent.<br /><br />If you've ever had any dealings with the gansters in Roman collars, blue haired Sister Suburbia in there mao thirts that occupied local chanceries in the late 70s and 80s You'll understand where I am coming from.<br /><br />My parents tried and did their best (as most so-called trads did) to pass on the Catholic Faith as best they could during the post Vatican II upheaval.<br /><br />For most TLM goers they were/are looking for a life boat amid a storm.<br /><br />The priest represented all varieties of human foibles. Drinkers, leachers, aometime just simply bores or maybe burned out exiles, <br /><br />Many of the priests were sterling heroes clinging to the Priesthood as best they could even when the institutional church cast them out.<br /><br />For example, Fr Bart Ferraro...<br />an example of heroic virtue<br />Pray for us<br /><br />Basically, adhere to Tradition but also<br />be filled peace, joy.<br />Nonfroqning saints need apply. IMHO<br /><br />wilderness of painhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16463606201382193556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-18904636189158629352017-08-18T16:19:38.506-04:002017-08-18T16:19:38.506-04:00It happens on both sides. We all have our faults. ...It happens on both sides. We all have our faults. It does not mean that the trad movement is made to be vilified, and the NO is made to be something so much better. Such characterizations are simplistic and miss the bigger picture.<br /><br />There is hurt on both sides. Writing this piece just proves the insults have increased since the release of Summorum Pontificum, as we battle over who is a true trad. Pointless in the end, really, when we face our final judgments. Irenaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432088067981270937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-88230256335996405272017-07-26T08:35:11.715-04:002017-07-26T08:35:11.715-04:00There are two angles
1) Being attached to a righ...There are two angles<br /><br />1) Being attached to a right thing is often mistaken for being personally righteous. Genuine love of the Mass should be measured by your hatred of sin. If there is a lack of charity then spiritual pride would be the area of vulnerability on the traditional side of things. This is to be expected as this is where the devil will make hay. I'm not surprised at this and no one should be. <br /><br />2) The priests from NO in my experience tend to be more maternally focused. As a result siblings bicker and bullying can be a problem. This is endemic in NO parishes too. Parish councils are notorious and can be extremely vicious. Furthermore Traditional groups are often by fly-in fly-out arrangements where a proper familial and communal spirit is near impossible to cultivate. As the traditional communities grow around a stable community of priests this will right itself I'm sure. In short I think we all suffer from fatherlessness in different ways. TLMWxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720022091832839393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-49923654662875669122017-07-18T19:47:37.074-04:002017-07-18T19:47:37.074-04:00Dear Boo-- thanks for your reply...I am copying th...Dear Boo-- thanks for your reply...I am copying this to place in my "I need inspiration" pages...you are correct I think...we have all contributed to this mess...I was saved but I am lost...I ask, beg and pray for guidance...and I find myself lazy and not very quick to do the things I know I should...inconstancy is one of my temptations...let us persevere...and seek Our Lady's help in every thing...may God bless you and yours...Lisaanonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04622922038591605734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76083510901411258272017-07-12T05:21:07.905-04:002017-07-12T05:21:07.905-04:00Amen to that!
We are indeed 'sojourners in a ...Amen to that! <br />We are indeed 'sojourners in a land of exile' (Exodus 2:22). <br />I know the feeling of not feeling like I belong at most Masses, for the very same reasons! And my poor children..... God help them! <br />But you are so very right. Christ is bigger than all of us, and though we should give Him our very best, especially in worship, nothing is really good enough! (Though indeed, some come closer than others...).<br />All we can do, as you indicate, is to try to stay humble. We have all contributed to this mess in some way or another by our lack of holiness (well, I can't speak for you, but I'm certainly guilty of it). We must offer up the suffering of experiencing the state of the Church and be like St Therese, poor children with nothing to offer but our nothings, fully confident in His mercy and victory. Pray for me and mine! Pax Boohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701631251443478673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-50449892747839022412017-07-09T23:33:30.874-04:002017-07-09T23:33:30.874-04:00That's beautiful...the best of TLM...That's beautiful...the best of TLM...anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04622922038591605734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-40066750699927432452017-07-09T23:07:17.366-04:002017-07-09T23:07:17.366-04:00I read all of this and laughed and cried. When I b...I read all of this and laughed and cried. When I became Catholic in 1999, I never thought I would be so pulled apart. I found the Latin Mass after 10 years of "team Jesus" and lectors barely dressed, an elderly lifelong Catholic who told me she didn't understand why the Pope didn't allow abortion, a nun who told me one day I would confession to her, an RCIA lecturer who said Catholics don't believe in purgatory anymore, etc. Then Latin Mass with FSSP and it was heaven on Earth, but then everything went away...yes I noticed the criticism but I felt that the FSSP priests we're able to handle the complainers and whiners-- hey those people are everywhere. Now I am at a NO parish and sit in the back in a veil. I look at it as an act of humility. I don't belong here, cannot kneel for communion, cringe-- girl servers, eucharistic ministers, women dressed in tight clothes and stilletoes--but the priest is holy and has welcomed me while I decide what to do. Go back to a place where I could not stand the murmuring anymore or stay where I know I absolutely don't belong? But I don't"deign" to be there. It's a valid Holy Mass. Once when I was praying I thought I saw this in my mind: the Light of Christ so strong and true-- in spite if everything around us...NO, Latin Mass.. Christ is still Supreme and certainly not controlled by any of us!anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04622922038591605734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27501561531363221582017-05-30T18:30:13.627-04:002017-05-30T18:30:13.627-04:00Konstantin (May 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM) makes referen...Konstantin (May 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM) makes reference to "liturgical abuses" by priests who celebrate the Traditional Mass. They generally fall into one of four categories:<br /><br />1) The first is honest mistakes due to haphazard training that results from being self-taught after ordination. It underscores a need for qualified masters of ceremonies in a parish devoted to this form of the Mass, who specialize in this sort of minutiae, and can properly train servers.<br /><br />2) Related to the first, is a sort of "post-conciliar mentality." If it's not specific to the rubrics, they do what they want, because they’re priests, and they have the “authority” to improvise. This disregards two fundamental differences in the traditional Mass versus the reformed. One is that in fifteen centuries, there is little left to the imagination. The other is the role of customary law in determining what is done or not done, which is why we have ceremonial guides like those of Fortescue and O'Connell (and you don’t have to be a priest to own them).<br /><br />3) The third is the arrogance of a very small subset of seminarians from certain "Ecclesia Dei communities" (and it doesn’t take very many), as those especially devoted to the traditional Mass and Sacraments are called. Customs that are particular to a particular community, or its country of origin, are not necessary standard usage. Try telling that to them, or the pastors who are enamored with them, even with published evidence, and it’s a losing battle. As a senior MC in a diocesan parish for some years, I had a sad experience with two such young men, freshly tonsured and their cassocks just off the rack, barging in and throwing their weight around. After effectively having permission to humiliate a man twice their age in front of others, they are both now priests. They’ll expect me to call them “Father.” Hell, I’m old enough to *be* their father. I should have turned them each over my knee when I had the chance.<br /><br />4) The fourth (and thankfully, the rarest) is an poor attitude towards revisions to rubrics or certain other parts of the <i>Missale Romanum</i> in the decade or so leading up to 1962. This can range from a disregard of certain rubrical details, to disdain of the reforms for Holy Week by Pius XII in 1951 (with the Easter Vigil) and 1955 (with the rest of Holy Week). While the motu proprio specifically addresses the <i>Missale Romanum</i> as codified in 1962, certain earlier practices are tolerated (the “second Confiteor” preceding Communion), and yet the Holy See has managed to wink at full use of pre-1950s celebrations of Holy Week by the Fraternity and certain other venues. <b>There is considerable academic merit to the study of this period of the liturgical movement</b>, and this commenter would wish to lay stress upon this, but it’s enough for an average parish to do the 1962 form of the traditional Mass properly, without encouraging a “more-traditional-than-thou” contest among its adherents.<br /><br />The first is despite good intentions, the second is a failure to inculcate a sense of general principles in the course of training, while the third (and quite possibly, the fourth) is (or are) evidence that the sin of pride is the undoing of us all, whichever set of books we use for Mass.David L Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871706129906941567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-69589643893840455932017-05-14T01:09:24.141-04:002017-05-14T01:09:24.141-04:00Was St.Paul vain for saying women should cover the...Was St.Paul vain for saying women should cover their head in church?<br />Read the bible!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-40269370622084925682017-05-14T01:01:13.133-04:002017-05-14T01:01:13.133-04:00Extraordinary Form???
What exactly is extraordinar...Extraordinary Form???<br />What exactly is extraordinary?<br />Sounds like a new pizza from Dominos Pizza.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-13279119984850225082017-05-12T07:40:59.613-04:002017-05-12T07:40:59.613-04:00Good article. The comments are very telling. They ...Good article. The comments are very telling. They seem to be generally in these 4 categories: <br /><br />1) It's the priests' fault, they're not holy enough<br />(To which I say this kind of rash judgement proves the authors' point)<br /><br />2) TLM people are bitter because we have perfect cause to be. <br />(To this I say bitterness is not compatible with true sanctity. Yes there is MUCH cause for bitterness but lots of saints had more cause for bitterness but reacted quite differently <br /><br />3) TLM people are all negative, hypercritical and act superior to others<br />(To this I say I know my fair share who appear so and who seem to just do damage in their own community and in ripping the wider Church apart, but I also know many many personally who are just wanting a reverent Mass pleasing to God which will help them stay faithful, and who are beautiful witnesses. <br /><br />4) Some TLM people are a poor example but some are not. <br />(To thIs I say 'right on the money! Just like in every other section of the Church!)<br /><br />Fr Chad Ripperger talks about probs in the trad movement, and he is very insightful. He also talks about problems of negativity:<br />https://youtu.be/RoEWGSa6bxE<br />I believe a specific spirit of negativity seeks to influence the TLM movement as every movement is attacked by some demon or another, just as every family is attacked by specific generational spirits. <br /><br />Jesus wanted that we all be 'one'. A house divided against itself will fall. That is satan's aim. Let us be on our guard. Pax. Boohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701631251443478673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-59749589071663984872017-05-11T21:54:25.903-04:002017-05-11T21:54:25.903-04:00See Scott, that's exactly the problem. Even wh...See Scott, that's exactly the problem. Even when these priests go out of their way to learn and offer the Extraordinary Form when they are under no obligation to, its still not<br />Good enough. Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-1957772449965359282017-05-11T21:14:30.387-04:002017-05-11T21:14:30.387-04:00These two priests sound like typical Novus Ordo cu...These two priests sound like typical Novus Ordo cucksScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11376067615172650921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-69278045472763903382017-05-10T07:28:10.367-04:002017-05-10T07:28:10.367-04:00Remember Love, Love, Jesus is Love. God's grea...Remember Love, Love, Jesus is Love. God's greatest gift is the gift of Love.We are to focus on what is good, holy and true. We are to see God's Light and Love in a world of darkness and sin. We are to BE that Light and Love with Jesus working through our Being. Nit picking and fighting is not what God wants. He wants us to go out to all the world and bring Love and Truth to all the people through our Holy actions and Love. Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist in both forms of the Mass. Reverence is shown in the outward sign more clearly in the Latin Mass form. Yet, is that true within the interior hearts of ALL people who are present ? Reverence may not be as apparent on the exterior in the popular Mass actions. Yet does that mean that ALL the people do not have reverence and love of Jesus in their hearts ? Why do many ladies wear veils during Latin Mass, yet when these same ladies attend non Latin Mass,they do not wear a veil ? Is Jesus not present in the Holy Eucharist in both forms of the Mass ? Holy exterior actions although simple can and will draw others into more reverence for Jesus. It is what is in the heart that matters. God will judge the heart.We need to unite and go out in the world and teach through loving action and good example. We must be the change starting with working on ourselves followed by reaching out to others in holy Love.Julienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25972454799080397502017-05-09T18:57:51.047-04:002017-05-09T18:57:51.047-04:00Anonymous 4:06 am
St.Paul commanded women to cover...Anonymous 4:06 am<br />St.Paul commanded women to cover their head while praying.<br />Read the Bible!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-90728795044109631042017-05-05T11:30:23.214-04:002017-05-05T11:30:23.214-04:00(Second and last part)
That's what I would do...(Second and last part)<br /><br />That's what I would do if I had no access to a proper mass. Thank God I can jump in the metro and whithin 30 min I have both FSSP and PSSPX available. But should these fold (an impossibility given the amount of children and vocations), I'd simply stay home and attend online mass. We do not owe it to the NO crowd to prop up their dying church. On the contrary, when a tree is falling, we should push it down. Ecclesial darwinism all the way!!<br /><br />But the best part is yet at the end of the post. The idea that the TML could be taken away from us!!! And written with a threatening tone at that!!<br /><br />Now dear Boniface, you clearly have no idea of what is going on within the church, the different demographic dynamics, the sociology et all.<br />We do not need you pathetic clowns to say our masses: we can produce our own priests. See that cranky lady with the 7 kids who complains about having to be in church at 8 am, 1 hour away from home? Among those 7 kids, there will be at least one priest who'll attend one of the traditional seminaries. Plenty of those in our parishes. The traditional seminaries are bursting at the seems. Why do you think the pope spends so much energy kissing up to the FSSPX? For fun? By conviction? Nope... For the demographics.<br /><br />Take a hard look at your white-haired NO congregations and see what future they have. Do the same with your heretical religious orders. We can wait, and when you'll all be dead we will take the church back. Because NO parishes are nothing but zombie congregations who do not realise it yet.<br />We do not need your condescending arrogance. We do not need you, you need us. So YOU get down from the high horse already. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76725683048541140892017-05-05T11:08:17.195-04:002017-05-05T11:08:17.195-04:00Two priests who learned to offer the old Mass at s...Two priests who learned to offer the old Mass at seminary (one of those where that's the only Mass you learn) had me witness their disregard for the rubrics of the 1962 Missal many times, so much that I even stopped serving for one of them. Unfortunately they both got pretty obnoxious, the latter also feels persecuted because people point out that he isn't doing what he's supposed to. Another priest even encouraged a layman to write to said priest's superior to point out the violations of the rubrics.<br /><br />I'm not saying that the two priests Boniface mentions have committed the same errors, but at times it is the faithful that are really fighting an uphill battle against some liturgical abuses that also exist in TLM communities.<br /><br />And regarding the NO, I guess many priests don't face criticism because most Catholics who attend the NO don't care about the things Trads tend to complain about. But I remember when an FSSP priest here in Europe asked for leave to do diocesan ministry, he said something about Euthanasia or a similar issue at his new Parish and people were up in arms -- it was even in the newspaper. He was chased away quite unceremoniously and that is what happens to many conservative priests once they touch people's soft spot.Konstantinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13701303189143549671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-71222549304293873042017-05-05T10:18:29.663-04:002017-05-05T10:18:29.663-04:00(Last part)
That's what I would do if I had n...(Last part)<br /><br />That's what I would do if I had no access to a proper mass. Thank God I can jump in the metro and whithin 30 min I have both FSSP and PSSPX available. But should these fold (an impossibility given the amount of children and vocations), I'd simply stay home and attend online mass. We do not owe it to the NO crowd to prop up their dying church. On the contrary, when a tree is falling, we should push it down. Ecclesial darwinism all the way!!<br /><br />But the best part is yet at the end of the post. The idea that the TML could be taken away from us!!! And written with a threatening tone at that!!<br /><br />Now dear Boniface, you clearly have no idea of what is going on within the church, the different demographic dynamics, the sociology et all.<br />We do not need you pathetic clowns to say our masses: we can produce our own priests. See that cranky lady with the 7 kids who complains about having to be in church at 8 am, 1 hour away from home? Among those 7 kids, there will be at least one priest who'll attend one of the traditional seminaries. Plenty of those in our parishes. The traditional seminaries are bursting at the seems. Why do you think the pope spends so much energy kissing up to the FSSPX? For fun? By conviction? Nope... For the demographics.<br /><br />Take a hard look at your white-haired NO congregations and see what future they have. Do the same with your heretical religious orders. We can wait, and when you'll all be dead we will take the church back. Because NO parishes are nothing but zombie congregations who do not realise it yet.<br />We do not need your condescending arrogance. We do not need you, you need us. So YOU get down from the high horse already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com