tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post6140988354138385181..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Religious Liberty? A Secular Answer to a Secular ProblemBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-34383737306190236282012-12-22T10:58:34.652-05:002012-12-22T10:58:34.652-05:00Good post! I've been less than enthusiastic ab...Good post! I've been less than enthusiastic about the religious liberty argument employed by the bishops for the reasons you give. However, the fact that religious liberty is enshrined in DH does appear to make this argument a "Catholic" argument.<br />Re Steve B's solution b): do you think it is possible for traditional Catholics to retake positions of authority in the Church? I've often wondered what the Church would look like with Athanasius Schneider as Pope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-86390267996548178542012-12-15T13:04:13.129-05:002012-12-15T13:04:13.129-05:00Boniface,
Great post!
But, the heresy of America...Boniface,<br /><br />Great post!<br /><br />But, the heresy of Americanism is boldly emblazoned within the Vatican II document Dignitatis Humanae - and is considered by the vast majority of orthodox Bishops, Priests, and lay Catholics as the "premier" or definitive teaching of the Church on the topic of Religious Liberty (which, in all truth, it definitely is not).<br /><br />Compare and contrast the Vatican's official English translation of section 2 of Dignitatus Humanae vs. the original Latin text, and it'll be plain to see that there has been either a bold incompetence or a nefarious agenda at work within the Curia toward English speaking Catholics on the topic of Religious Liberty. <br /><br />The original Latin text of DH clearly "teaches" (quite in contrast to the traditional Catholic teaching) that our dignity as persons dictates that we have the moral right in private AND in public (it is this "public" aspect which is contrary to traditional teaching) to promote/spread our religious beliefs, even if they are erroneous. The horrible English translation completely leaves out this aspect of the Latin text.<br /><br />@ I Am Not Spartacus - you hit the nail on the head wrt the article by David Wemhoff, when Mr. Wemhoff said: "For error leads to sin, and the wages of sin is death." No one has the moral right to spread error. Error, just as sin, leads to nothing but to the darkening of the mind, the hardening of the heart, and the weakening of the will. <br /><br />So, the "religious liberty" tactic taken by the American Bishops in challenging the nefarious HHS mandate ultimately champions the heresy of Americanism, so boldly denounced by Pope Leo XIII in TESTEM BENEVOLENTIAE NOSTRAE back in 1899, but equally boldly championed as truth by the Council Fathers in Dignitatis Humanae.<br /><br />I believe there are only two solutions to rooting out the heresy of Americanism which is alive and well within the Catholic Church (and not just here in America): <br /><br />a) either a calamitous persecution of the Church, which will ultimately drive out the heretics by force (i.e. they won't be willing to suffer for the truth), or <br /><br />b) traditional Catholicism will retake positions of authority within the Church and begin to reinforce traditional teaching/belief, which was driven out via revolution by the modernist liberals during and after Vatican II.<br /><br />I'm hoping, praying, and leading my family, as I'm sure you and your readers are, Boniface, toward embracing and promoting option b).<br /><br />Pax et bendictiones tibi, per Christum Dominum nostrum,<br /><br />Steve B<br />Plano, TXQuovadis7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936658621864993364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-44916763824137041312012-12-06T14:55:42.684-05:002012-12-06T14:55:42.684-05:00"[...] we cannot ourselves use the Ring to de..."[...] we cannot ourselves use the Ring to defeat Sauron."<br />Just when I thought this article couldn't get any better.<br /><br />Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-86401094344803484052012-12-06T13:45:22.703-05:002012-12-06T13:45:22.703-05:00The Protestants have always been or enemies in thi...The Protestants have always been or enemies in this country. They have always villified, smeared, and slandered us. Yet we now think they're going to be our allies? The only reason why they're with us now is they know that we are the only group that has a fighting chance of beating Obama. But if things go bad for us, they won't hesitate to sell us out in a minute. <br />They're also dying out and getting smaller in membership because they're constanly splitting into smaller groups or becoming more and more liberal as time rocks along. They are a broken reed that can't support us. Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-78213174365308575912012-12-05T10:35:15.724-05:002012-12-05T10:35:15.724-05:00Sure, the fact that the Bishops believe this defen...Sure, the fact that the Bishops believe this defense is a credible one is a symptom of Americanism. That's why "Americanism" is one of the tags for the post. :)Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-43645234280958475892012-12-05T10:34:09.021-05:002012-12-05T10:34:09.021-05:00Spot on, Boniface although I think there might be ...<br />Spot on, Boniface although I think there might be another reason behind the decision to go with Religious Liberty and that reason has to do with Americanism - that heresy that was deeply held and promoted by Bishop Gibbons and Ireland (see "Puritans Empire," by Charles Coulombe) - Religious Liberty is the American way and it is defended publicly even by Our Sweet Jesus on earth.<br /><br />http://www.culturewars.com/2011/Wemhoff.html<br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-2016114056961965102012-12-05T10:02:09.297-05:002012-12-05T10:02:09.297-05:00Boniface,Somebody wrote a Similar Entry as a Lette...Boniface,Somebody wrote a Similar Entry as a Letter to a Secular Columnist: http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2012/02/hhs-mandate-not-about-religious-liberty.htmlJosemaria Paulo Jeromino Martin Carvalho-Von Versterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128928800453615354noreply@blogger.com