tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post6543505431798356568..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Baptism of Blood in St. BedeBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-3666090488181520292018-04-15T06:46:22.387-04:002018-04-15T06:46:22.387-04:00I believe in baptism of blood but not baptism of d...I believe in baptism of blood but not baptism of desire. Many early church fathers believed there were two forms of baptism, by water and by blood, both which came out of the side of Christ when he was pierced. Gregory of Nazianzus, Cyprian, Cyril of Jerusalem and others all held to this view.JohnLoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402557208222135767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-2956197611730464732011-05-24T19:45:10.880-04:002011-05-24T19:45:10.880-04:00Justin-
Yes, that statement is from the Syllabus,...Justin-<br /><br />Yes, that statement is from the Syllabus, 17, which itself is a summary of Quanta Conficiamur (1863). However, at least as regards Protestants, it doesn't have anything to do with baptism of desire or blood since most Protestants are already baptized. I am doing a post on this in the future, BTW, comparing (and harmonizing) the Syllabus, Quanta Conficiamur and Unitatis Redingratio.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-75534547376903147662011-05-24T18:32:18.495-04:002011-05-24T18:32:18.495-04:00Justin,
The Church has spoken pretty clearly on ...Justin, <br /><br />The Church has spoken pretty clearly on Desire, and to a lesser but still reasonable way on Blood. The Slaves of Mary (Feeneyite) position is heretical on the surface, since they don't grant Desire in any degree. I say that with reluctance, because their cause is very noble. <br /><br />I simply cannot turn a blind eye to what, e.g., Trent explicitly teaches, nor can I seek to minimalize it into irrelevance. There is a substantial difference between taking a 'narrow' reading of Desire being applicable and denying Desire outright. <br /><br />The Bl. Pius IX quote you're speaking of is from his Syllabus of Errors, but it was speaking of universalist tendencies, not the legitimacy of receiving Desire or Blood.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-60132441132920716922011-05-24T16:00:44.102-04:002011-05-24T16:00:44.102-04:00The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary do a fi...The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary do a fine job of defending their position, in fact, Brian Kelly's recent article casts serious doubt about baptism of desire and I have yet to see anyone who supports it give as convincing an argument for it as he gives against it. <br /><br />I can't say I'm totally sold on the Feeneyite position but the arguments of the St. Benedict Center are pretty solid. I personally don't reject baptism of blood but I'm not totally sold on baptism of desire, at least not for those who are not catechumens. Even granting baptism of desire, I don't think that many people actually get it. There was an FSSP priest that once said somewhere in the writings of Blessed Pius IX it was condemned that we could have the reasonable hope for the salvation of non Catholics although I don't know where in his writings that is.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07062221333467776105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-14907386616255238242011-05-24T15:23:44.865-04:002011-05-24T15:23:44.865-04:00That's the one! Thanks. I linked it up on my &...That's the one! Thanks. I linked it up on my "Favorite Saints Writings" section on the lower sidebar.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-24288864579576911952011-05-24T14:46:45.545-04:002011-05-24T14:46:45.545-04:00Is this the whole work http://ia600309.us.archive....Is this the whole work http://ia600309.us.archive.org/6/items/bedesecclesiast00bedegoog/bedesecclesiast00bedegoog.pdf ?Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-42324463658646679992011-05-23T13:07:31.257-04:002011-05-23T13:07:31.257-04:00The sad thing about topics like this is that there...The sad thing about topics like this is that there are RadTrads like those of the Slaves of Immaculate Heart of Mary (St Benedict Center) in New Hampshire that was founded by Fr Feeney who even now on their webpage push for an improper (even heretical) stance on water baptism only, strongly denying Desire and Blood (even rejecting plain language in Trent and other such documents). <br /><br />Doing a search on their webpage for St. Emerentiana, it turns out they discuss her but they say "it is inconceivable that she wasn't baptized" in water since St Agnes was killed in persecution 2 days earlier and thus should have rushed to baptize catechumens. They clearly didn't quote the whole Divine Office reading here for obvious reasons.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-72287508368610955342011-05-23T12:49:32.928-04:002011-05-23T12:49:32.928-04:00Mark-
I'm doing some stuff on Jansenism in J...Mark- <br /><br />I'm doing some stuff on Jansenism in June, which is going to be "French Month" on the blog - all posts will be about France. |<br />|<br />BTW, if you are on FB, you should follow this blog...readers can send me suggestions like yours directly.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-48907637222191571742011-05-23T11:03:34.572-04:002011-05-23T11:03:34.572-04:00I know this has nothing to do with the entry, but ...I know this has nothing to do with the entry, but have you thought about writing on the subject of Jansenism one of these days? I'd like to read about your take on it.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.com