tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post6662767557070947219..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Retraction, Apology & VindicationBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-77393278483377687162014-11-24T11:32:04.775-05:002014-11-24T11:32:04.775-05:00@ David,
That is baloney. The Bishop doesn't...@ David,<br /><br />That is baloney. The Bishop doesn't "own" anything in his Diocese; he is merely a steward.<br /><br />If he thinks that he does "own" anything, then that is proof positive that of utterly mistaking his role as a spiritual leader; and, he has as well grossly misconstrued his role to "pass on" what was given to him from his predecessors (see 1 Cor. 15:3), and not merely those of the past 50 years.<br /><br />The love of novelty is rampant and an additction in the modern Church....Quovadis7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936658621864993364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-37585670749811910262014-11-23T12:12:03.982-05:002014-11-23T12:12:03.982-05:00Regarding the first issue, I still think you were/...Regarding the first issue, I still think you were/are correct. I thought that the bishop was the "owner" of the sacrament in his diocesis, and can forbid any priest for whatever reason the ofering of mass. Therefore he can forbid the Extraordinary form if he pleases. He will have to respond to God for his decissions, but so will we.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536680471445176138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-17548418063447937642014-11-22T13:04:34.483-05:002014-11-22T13:04:34.483-05:00Boniface,
I won't presume to speak on behalf ...Boniface,<br /><br />I won't presume to speak on behalf of Priests who refuse to offer Holy Mass other than via the TLM. <br /><br />However, I think you have missed the point entirely for why many such men feel compelled to do so. I do NOT believe that it is because they believe "the Mass is the Faith", as you have asserted in your series of blog posts....<br /><br />There are a whole litany of other reasons why, but perhaps the most prominent of them are:<br /><br />1) the TLM is light years ahead of the Novus Ordo wrt being more theocentric, majestic, mysterious, and imbued with the fullness of our Catholic faith,<br /><br />2) the Novus Ordo, inherently, has promoted a modern mindset for "turning away" from Catholic tradition (many converts admit that the NO has a Protestant "flair" to it), and<br /><br />3) the TLM is inordinately better suited than the Novus Ordo toward helping the faithful to "die to self" (which the use of Latin inherently helps to covey), and to properly attune and immerse themselves in the renewed Holy Sacrifice of Our Lord which happens right before their very eyes during Holy Mass.<br /><br />In a word, Priests who refuse to offer the Novus Ordo (despite virtually all of them probably agreeing that it is a valid form of Holy Mass) have that attitude because the Novus Ordo has been the "tip of the spear" used by liberals and dissidents within the Church to promote their novelties and mayhem.<br /><br />One could make a legitimate case, however, that Catholics today are so catechetically deprived and spiritually starved, and so poisoned by our hedonistic and narcissistic Western culture, that there is an enormous chasm between them and the TLM; and that a reverently offered Novus Ordo Mass could/should be used as a "bridge" before exposing them to the TLM. Such a reverently offered Novus Ordo DID play a role in my and my family's "journey to tradition", and I'm sure it has been for many, many, other faithful and devout one-time "Novus Ordo" Catholics.<br /><br />But, in the end I think that we need to respect the consciences and the prudential decisions that "TLM only" Priests have embraced. We almost certainly know it is because they have made it a priority in their ministry to: <br /><br />a) give the greatest glory to God in their worship of Him, and <br /><br />b) strive diligently for the "salvation of souls",<br /><br />which they fervently believe the TLM is much better suited to help them achieve than the Novus Ordo. <br /><br />It is scandalous, a travesty, and and an unjust use of their authority for Catholic Bishops to impose that a Priest <i><b>MUST</b></i> offer the Novus Ordo, or cannot offer the TLM. We all know that violations of Summorum Pontificum by our Bishops are widespread.<br /><br />But, such is the current horrific state of the Church and her many misguided leaders, which numerous approved apparitions of Our Lady have predicted....<br /><br />Pax et benedictiones tibi, per Christum Dominum nostrum,<br /><br />Quovadis7Quovadis7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16936658621864993364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76280478661922647192014-11-22T12:53:39.691-05:002014-11-22T12:53:39.691-05:00Whats up Unam
I wanted to get your opinion on if...Whats up Unam <br /><br />I wanted to get your opinion on if you think that we are living in the time period that the Virgin Mary was talking about at Fatima, Akita, Good Success. And are they set in stone, or can they be mitigated by our prayer? I had an interesting conversation with a fellow Catholic my age (20's), and she is convinced that we are living in the final days, as 2017 approaches (100th anniversary of Fatima). I would like to get your opinion on this. I wonder if there are a lot of people who read/comment on your blog think this?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87967006019730570092014-11-21T11:54:17.395-05:002014-11-21T11:54:17.395-05:00I don't think so, for two reasons:
(a) I disa...I don't think so, for two reasons:<br /><br />(a) I disagree that they are "illegitimately punished." To consecrate bishops not only without a papal mandate but <i>against</i> a papal mandate is a punishable offense.<br /><br />(b) Even if they were punished "illegitimately", illegitimate or errant canonical penalties still must be observed in the external forum even if we know/believe them to be assigned wrongly.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-57386082239368899092014-11-21T10:52:33.818-05:002014-11-21T10:52:33.818-05:00An apology to the SSPX is in order too! Anyone who...An apology to the SSPX is in order too! Anyone who has studied the sspx with humility and honesty will have found that the sspx were illegitimately punished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-72736136502589658272014-11-21T06:15:18.688-05:002014-11-21T06:15:18.688-05:00Yeah, like when St. Thomas says the Summa is writt...Yeah, like when St. Thomas says the Summa is written "for beginners" and then goes on to write one of the most profound theological treatises ever. Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-21661436071117672222014-11-21T03:46:54.811-05:002014-11-21T03:46:54.811-05:00I like how the Thomist both says "for brevity...I like how the Thomist both says "for brevity's sake" and goes on to write write the longest response, except for the professor of course, but that comes naturally.Henoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-23349515890002753552014-11-20T15:29:10.236-05:002014-11-20T15:29:10.236-05:00I certainly think that in theory, the distinction ...I certainly think that in theory, the distinction between the Mass (or better, the liturgy generally) and the faith is legitimate, but of what use is it in practice? It is also important, I think, to realize that the Mass, while not identical to the faith, is not simply one aspect of our faith among others, either. It is the central aspect, the heart of the Church, the primary fount and culmination of the Christian life, the first context wherein we encounter the mysteries of faith and render our assent to them. The central and most important truths of our faith (i.e. think the Creed) are all celebrated in the liturgy on so many levels. Just to have an intellectual grasp of the truths of faith would indeed be fruitless if we did not live our faith by celebrating it and participating in its mysteries through the liturgy. So the liturgy is not just one aspect of our faith among others, but its heart and center. Read Dom Gueranger's preface to the Liturgical Year, or the traditional Benedictine commentaries about the liturgy, to get a good glimpse of the traditional Catholic understanding of the relation between liturgy and faith.MaestroJMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06552734342224710734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-69868920005803461022014-11-20T13:14:36.915-05:002014-11-20T13:14:36.915-05:00This is wonderful because of the information conta...This is wonderful because of the information contained here...but also because it does point out that the horrors of the NO have forced Traditional Catholics to cling to the Latin Mass.<br />This has given us a skewed picture, a truncated picture of our Faith.<br />One of the respondents stated it well. We who want our Church back from the grasp of modernists must learn The Faith in all it's complicated richness.<br />BarbaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-79637178571495302542014-11-20T12:16:02.886-05:002014-11-20T12:16:02.886-05:00Sir. Even the saints made errors of judgement. We ...Sir. Even the saints made errors of judgement. We all fall short of the ideal. Keep the Faith!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com