tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post7172998333360613079..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Jansenism (part 3)Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-42486774051022362222018-07-26T23:47:46.890-04:002018-07-26T23:47:46.890-04:00In the beginning paragraph:
To things to note h...In the beginning paragraph: <br />To things to note here: first, we must point out the role of the Jesuits in the Jansenist controversy. Throughout these years, the Jesuits were consistently opposed to the heretics at every turn, constantly frustrating their attempts to overturn papal authority and overthrowing their sophistic arguments. This earned the Jesuits the <br /><br />Note: To things, should be two things.<br /><br />Of course I was a teacher. I am not using a red pen or a cranky voice. Just letting you know about a common but simple error hat can easily be corrected.<br />Blessings.Joannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01380535457821185367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-40715005782858397732015-09-02T10:24:57.057-04:002015-09-02T10:24:57.057-04:00Thanks for your fine work on this blog. I am fini...Thanks for your fine work on this blog. I am finishing a book on the philosophy of the Pascal family. I know how difficult it is to summarize these convoluted controversies but you've done a remarkably clear and accurate job.Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030284999235414469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-11199889988880806272011-06-30T17:24:12.769-04:002011-06-30T17:24:12.769-04:00Convenor,
"Certainly this suffices to show ...Convenor, <br /><br />"Certainly this suffices to show superabundantly by how many roads Modernism leads to the annihilation of all religion. The first step in this direction was taken by Protestantism; the second is made by Modernism; the next will plunge headlong into atheism" (St. Pius X).Ben Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-19851672870981776612011-06-30T06:44:10.998-04:002011-06-30T06:44:10.998-04:00Boniface, it would be interesting to pursue the qu...Boniface, it would be interesting to pursue the question of the influence of Port Royal upon the Revolution, even if only that it created an atmosphere of dissent. Perhaps the move from Luteranism to Rationalism is a similar trail. The liturgical trail from Jansenism to Josephism to Modernism would be equally interesting.<br /><br />Good point about the Curé of Ars - rigorism such as was common in Ireland and France is not Jansenism.Convenorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17939527929709019039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-70036521398606535362011-06-29T12:01:02.082-04:002011-06-29T12:01:02.082-04:00Ben-
Good questions. Proposition 6 says that in t...Ben-<br /><br />Good questions. Proposition 6 says that in the Old Covenenant, man had to flee from sin, whereas in the New, God "gives Him what He commands." According to the Jansenists, there could be no real "flight from sin" or "struggle with sin" in the orthodox sense, because God's grace was irresistible. The struggles of the righteous would be only illusory since they could not resist the interior movement of grace. The term is errant if understood in this sort of Queitist sense, which is the sense in which the Jansenists took it, I believe.<br /><br />Proposition 7: I'm not so sure there, but again, there is no mention to spiritual development or growth - the world is divided into the elect and the reprobate and there is no possible movement from one to the other. I'm still not sure here, though.<br /><br />Mark - I have never heard that. Some say St John Vianney was influenced by Jansenism as well, though that is highly unlikely. Vianney was a simple, unlearned man who barely could read when he went to seminary - not the sort of mind to be lured in or influenced by the amazing subtleties and intricacies of Jansenism.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66057550734807909142011-06-29T11:55:08.574-04:002011-06-29T11:55:08.574-04:00Did Jansenism ever influence "Irish" Cat...Did Jansenism ever influence "Irish" Catholicism? I hear that get thrown about much, but have never read anything the backs those claims up.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-39811088121882204402011-06-29T07:50:27.591-04:002011-06-29T07:50:27.591-04:00"Tthe Church comprises only the just and the ..."Tthe Church comprises only the just and the elect"<br /><br />A spelling error? On MY unamsanctamcatholicam?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-88895917485564969582011-06-28T23:41:22.806-04:002011-06-28T23:41:22.806-04:00Boniface,
What is the meaning of these condemned...Boniface, <br /><br />What is the meaning of these condemned propositions from Unigentius:<br />6. The difference between the Judaic dispensation and the Christian is this, that in the former God demanded flight from sin and a fulfillment of the Law by the sinner, leaving him in his own weakness; but in the latter, God gives the sinner what He commands, by purifying him with His grace. <br />7. What advantage was there for a man in the old covenant, in which God left him to his own weakness, by imposing on him His law? But what happiness is it not to be admitted to a convenant in which God gives us what He asks of us? <br /><br />Those sound perfectly orthodox to me. Could you please clear this up?Ben Gnoreply@blogger.com