tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post7729578847873093398..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Mount Sinai (Jebel-Musa): Historical EvidenceBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-79222804265313255032014-05-24T01:22:03.659-04:002014-05-24T01:22:03.659-04:002.Your historical evidence against the traditional...2.Your historical evidence against the traditional site being part of the Egyptian Empire no longer holds water.<br /><br />The remote site of Serabit el-Khadem in the Sinai Peninsula is home to a remote mining camp which “was used for a few months at a time, every couple of years at best, more often once in a generation…The journey to the mines was long, difficult and dangerous: the miners suffered from thirst, wild beasts, and snakes. The Egyptians felt the need for divine aid in their efforts, and built a shrine.” <br /><br />Bright says the children of Israel could have easily avoided “collision with Egyptian troops, for the Egyptians did not maintain a permanent garrison at the mines. Except at intermittent periods when mining parties were at work, the Hebrews could have passed unmolested.”<br /><br /> They could have even rested at these camps for awhile. These camps are covered with proto-Sinaitic and semetic inscriptions.<br /><br />“The Bible says that once the Israelites left Succoth they were "out of Egypt" (Ex. 13: 18-20). The Land of Goshen was the eastern limits of the Land of Egypt. Apparently the fortresses on the Eastern Frontier Canal was the border between Egypt and the Sinai (Hoffmeier 1997: 164-175). Sir Flinders Petrie, the Father of Palestinian Archaeology, states that the copper and turquoise mines in Sinai were "in the desert outside the territorial border of Egypt, which passed to the east of the delta" ( cited in Williams 1990: 56).” (Gordon Franz). <br /><br />3. Your historical evidence against the traditional site not having plains big enough to support the massive amounts of people and animals that the Exodus requires no longer holds water.<br />Edward Robinson insisted that to the exclusion of all other plain-mountain combinations in south Sinai only the Plain of ar-Raaha next to Jebel Musa could have accommodated the the large number of Israelites recorded in the Bible. Edward Hull stated that, “this traditional Sinai in every way meets the requirements of the narrative of the Exodus.” Hull found the capacity of the Plain of ar-Raaha at Jebel Musa especially compelling, persuasive and convincing. He stated that the amphitheater leading to the base of the granite cliff of Ras Sufsafeh, made an even more compelling argument for the location of the camp and the mount from which the laws of God was delivered to the Israelites camped below. There was sufficient room for the number of Israelites numbered in the Bible to have camped here. W. Holland stated (Recovery of Jerusalem, 524): “With regard to water-supply there is no other spot in the whole Peninsula which is nearly so well supplied as the neighborhood of Jebel Musa." Then again just eight short miles from this site was another plain with more than enough room for massive herds of sheep and cattle.FireSurfer7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-38600845181465082882014-05-24T01:20:17.307-04:002014-05-24T01:20:17.307-04:00HISTORICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST JEBEL MUSA
In all Chr...HISTORICAL EVIDENCE AGAINST JEBEL MUSA<br /><br />In all Christian love I would like to submit a brief rebuttal against your three Historical Evidences against Jebel Musa. I will not reproduce your three evidences here but readers can read them above (typed in red) and then read my rebuttal below.<br /><br />1. Your historical evidence against the traditional site not being the highest mountain no longer holds water.<br /><br />The traditional Mount Sinai, located in the Sinai Peninsula, is actually the name of a collection of sharp peaks of the SAME MOUNTAIN, (Jebel Musa. Jebel Katherina, Ras Sufsafeh ) and are sometimes referred to as the Holy Mountain peaks. For example the sharp twin peaks of Jebal Musa and Mount Saint Katherines is only 1 minute or 0.2 miles apart on the same mountain.<br /><br />Some consider the whole mountain as Mount Sinai while others prefer to call just one of the peaks of the mountain "Mount Sinai." <br />Some think Moses communed with God on one peak and then moved over to the other peak to pronounce the laws he received to the children of Israel in the plain below.<br />Josephus wrote alluding to the peaks saying, “because of the sharpness of its precipices: nay, indeed, it cannot be looked at without pain of the eyes.” Some Bedouins in the area assert the name Sinai came from the Arabic word for “tooth” (sinn) because the jagged peaks resemble the the teeth through which the mouth of God spoke. <br /><br />Therefore if Jebel Musa, Jebel Katherina (Mount Catherine) and Ras Sufsafeh are three peaks of the same mountain, then when Josephus writes that Mount Sinai was "the highest of all the mountains thereabout" he would be referring to this traditional mountain of three peaks. <br />Mount Sinai (Jebel Musa, Mount Katherine, Ras Sufafeh) is much higher than any mountains in the Sinaitic desert, or in all of Midian. The highest tops in the the desert to the North are not much over 4,000 ft. Those in Midian, East of Elath, rise only to 4,200 ft. Even Jebel Serbal at its highest is only 6,730 ft. above the sea. <br /><br /><br />FireSurfernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-37818608262923019002014-05-11T08:16:23.227-04:002014-05-11T08:16:23.227-04:00Edward Robinson insisted that to the exclusion of ...Edward Robinson insisted that to the exclusion of all other plain-mountain combinations in south Sinai only the Plain of ar-Raaha next to Jebel Musa could have accommodated the the large number of Israelites recorded in the Bible. Edward Hull stated that, “this traditional Sinai in every way meets the requirements of the narrative of the Exodus.” Hull found the capacity of the Plain of ar-Raaha at Jebel Musa especially persuasive. He stated that the amphitheater leading to the base of the granite cliff of Ras Sufsafeh, made an even more compelling argument for the location of the camp and the mount from which the laws of God was delivered to the Israelites camped below. [36]<br /><br />F. W. Holland stated (Recovery of Jerusalem, 524): “With regard to water-supply there is no other spot in the whole Peninsula which is nearly so well supplied as the neighborhood of Jebel Musa. Four streams of running water are found there . . . In addition to these streams there are numerous wells and springs, affording excellent water throughout the whole of the granitie district.” [37]<br /><br />Josephus wrote that “Moses went up to a mountain that lay between Egypt and Arabia, which was called Sinai….”<br /><br />Paul’s remark in Galatians 4:25 is quite consistent with Mt. Sinai’s traditional placement on the Sinai Peninsula inasmuch as in Paul’s time, “Arabia” covered a wide area that “included the Sinai Peninsula” as well as what we now call Saudi Arabia[38]<br /><br />Calculating the travels of the Insraelites the Bible Atlas states, “These distances will not, however, allow of our placing Sinai farther East than Jebel Musa.” [39]<br /><br />Some point to the absence of matertail evidence left behind in the journey of the Insraelites but Dr. Beit-Arieh wrote, “Perhaps it will be argued, by those who subscribe to the traditional account in the Bible, that the Israelite material culture was only of the flimsiest kind and left no trace. Presumably the Israelite dwellings and artifacts consisted only of perishable materials. [40]<br /><br />Josephus says that Sinai is “the highest of all the mountains thereabout,” and again is “the highest of all the mountains that are in that country, and is not only very difficult to be ascended by men, on account of its vast. altitude but because of the sharpness of its precipices: nay, indeed, it cannot be looked at without pain of the eyes, and besides this it was terrible and inaccessible, on account of the rumor that passed about, that God dwelt there” (Ant., II, xii, 1; III, v, 1). Mount Katherine, rises to 8,550 ft. above the sea and it’s sister peak, Jebel Musa (7, 370 ft.), is not much further behind in heighth, but is more conspicuous because of the open plain called er Rachah (“the wide”) to its Northwest forming a plain suitable for a natural camp at the foot of the mountain. Mount Katherine and Jebel Musa are both much higher than any mountains in the Sinaitic desert, or in all of Midian. The highest tops in the the desert to the North are not much over 4,000 ft. Those in Midian, East of Elath, rise only to 4,200 ft. Even Jebel Serbal at its highest is only 6,730 ft. above the sea. FireSurferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06484697635936925597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-86179940161154469412014-05-11T08:10:26.159-04:002014-05-11T08:10:26.159-04:00Inscriptions with pictures of moon worship objects...Inscriptions with pictures of moon worship objects are found all over the southern peninsula. “The Sinaite inscriptions,” says Dr. Robinson, “are found on all the routes which lead from the west towards Sinai, as far south as Tûr. They extend to the very base of Sinai, above the Convent el-Arba’in: but are found neither on Gebel Mousa nor on the present Horeb,nor in St. Catherine, nor in the valley of the Convent; while on Serbal they are seen on its very summit.”[12] Yahweh had expressly forbidden idols or other objects to be used in worship. It is quite odd that inscriptions and moon votive objects appear on most every mountain in the peninsula except for that of the very mountain which tradition identifies as ‘Mount Sinai.” This oddity may suggest that the mountain was “cleansed” of pagan votives and idols and inscriptions when the sacred mountain was dedicated solely to Yahweh. Such action is consistent throughout the Bible (ie, II Chron. 34:3-7, Exodus 32:20 ).<br /><br />Please check out my whole article at: http://curtisdward.wordpress.com/the-true-biblical-mount-sinai-jebel-musa/ (I also posted much of the content on Wikipedia)FireSurferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06484697635936925597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-77440222434469013962010-11-01T08:18:43.756-04:002010-11-01T08:18:43.756-04:00IS MOUNT SINAI IN SAUDI ARABIA?
http://www.ldolph...IS MOUNT SINAI IN SAUDI ARABIA?<br /><br />http://www.ldolphin.org/franz-sinai.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com