tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post8517134883903601689..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: 12 Realistic Reforms the Church Could Implement Right NowBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-6716129688933906792014-06-14T01:15:05.079-04:002014-06-14T01:15:05.079-04:00OK.
If just half of these reforms, in any order...OK. <br /><br />If just half of these reforms, in any order or combination, were enacted, we'd have a complete exaltation of the EO. And soon, the actual consecration of Russia. <br /><br />Think of it. Latin, Chant, Kneeling, you are already in the EO neighborhood there. Add in a reformation of missions (Gasp! EENS?!?!) You'd have the rest of it! Issue DEFINITIONS on Vat II?? The world wold instantly turn around, and we'd have the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart!!<br /><br />I am not mocking you. I agree that all of this could be done (and should be). Nor would it be to painful, unless the powers that be saw the ramifications as I see them. But they could only make a few glorious martyrs, and pull the wool from several disguised wolves, never stymie the rise of the Church.<br /><br />Let's pray, and live out in our own lives, any one of these, and we'll be on our way. If we can go for two, may God bless us. If we, individually, do all twelve? We should start writing memoirs for inclusion in our canonization proceedings. <br /><br />I am serious. <br /><br />PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-82614213733075254712013-07-09T12:29:35.705-04:002013-07-09T12:29:35.705-04:00I agree with them all.
Wouldn't be it gloriou...<br />I agree with them all.<br /><br />Wouldn't be it glorious to see the Pope take up the Triple Crown again? I've never seen it...<br /><br />God bless!<br /><br />~HannahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-12513526559522351952013-06-29T18:10:42.256-04:002013-06-29T18:10:42.256-04:00You might find this post relevant:
http://unamsan...You might find this post relevant:<br /><br />http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2012/12/within-great-stream-of-tradition.htmlBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-9889864300505403182013-06-29T18:04:36.592-04:002013-06-29T18:04:36.592-04:00Boniface, thank you. I'll have to get a hold o...Boniface, thank you. I'll have to get a hold of that book and try to read it again. Leo Basshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11914839865035044534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-70510322375315708452013-06-29T17:36:36.331-04:002013-06-29T17:36:36.331-04:00ALG,
That is a very long article and it would tak...ALG,<br /><br />That is a very long article and it would take me a very long time to write a refutation in totu. But basically, he is committing a very common error that Protestants do when looking at the Fathers. He is looking at the teachings of the Catholic Church in the 19th or 20th centuries and saying, okay, since the Church claims to faithfully hand on the Faith of the Apostles, we ought to find basically these same teachings in the Fathers. Then, when the teachings are not found in the Fathers <i>in the way he assumes they should be</i>, he draws his own conclusions. He basically denies or misunderstands the development of doctrine. True, you will not find an elucidation of papal primacy in the Fathers such as was found at Vatican I, but it is not necessary that there be one. The fact that the Church's dogma developed over time into the concept of papal infallibility is proof enough that this is the proper interpretation in which to view these disputed patristic citations. Basically, a patristic statement should be interpreted in light of the dogma it eventually evolved into. Protestants cannot grasp this. That is his fundamental fallacy. I recommend Newman's "Essay on the Development of Doctrine" for a much better treatment of this problem.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-61040061663769125702013-06-29T17:00:48.862-04:002013-06-29T17:00:48.862-04:00Boniface, could you address this article when you ...Boniface, could you address this article when you get a chance?http://www.tdaviddemarest.com/2013/06/08/the-church-fathers-interpretation-of-the-rock-of-matthew-1618-an-historical-refutation-of-the-claims-of-roman-catholicism/Leo Basshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11914839865035044534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-58805716757413471352013-06-24T10:49:26.339-04:002013-06-24T10:49:26.339-04:00For Inter religious dialogue/Mission affirm Vatica...For Inter religious dialogue/Mission affirm Vatican Council II without the Richard Cushing Error.Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-12655193483741214852013-06-23T20:40:07.376-04:002013-06-23T20:40:07.376-04:00I said they were realistic, not that they were lik...I said they were realistic, not that they were likely. There is a difference.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-16322772552994997952013-06-23T20:19:14.123-04:002013-06-23T20:19:14.123-04:00Most of these reforms are as unlikely to be implem...Most of these reforms are as unlikely to be implemented as the consecration of Russia.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-4344298291268431712013-06-23T13:46:37.559-04:002013-06-23T13:46:37.559-04:00These are all rock-solid. Let us pray for them to ...<br />These are all rock-solid. Let us pray for them to happen sooner than later, but in God's good time.Michael Ortizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823627318269572922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87109713264412058982013-06-20T15:16:11.370-04:002013-06-20T15:16:11.370-04:00All excellent suggestions. I think the life of the...All excellent suggestions. I think the life of the Church would be immensely improved if priests still gave good old fashioned doctrinal sermons once in a while. One of the best homilies I ever heard was on the subject of indulgences: what they are, what they can do for us and for the holy souls in purgatory, and how to acquire them.Beefy Levinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672190212311744730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-23179362334660118842013-06-18T15:58:40.062-04:002013-06-18T15:58:40.062-04:00I'd be willing to settle for a compromise on t...I'd be willing to settle for a compromise on the triregnum: just have it carried in the procession. He doesn't even have to put it on, but just carry it like the mitre of a (mitred) abbess.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905201479928703850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66007140562844368682013-06-18T12:15:45.353-04:002013-06-18T12:15:45.353-04:00Eric-
I just think the bishops and the pope do no...Eric-<br /><br />I just think the bishops and the pope do not have the balls to the Consecration, so to speak. It could happen, but much would have to change.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-59712448004347818922013-06-18T08:22:44.698-04:002013-06-18T08:22:44.698-04:00Have all Masses ad orientem at a minimum to return...Have all Masses ad orientem at a minimum to return attention to God, tabernacle in middle as mentioned. Have all the old hymns replace the modern crud. Credo and Gloria in traditional Latin. I don't think this is too difficult and will stimulate a large interest in the TLM.<br /><br />The ad orientem would see a mass exodus of priests who like to be the centre of the liturgy - Good. Many priests are outraged by the few recent changes. I heard of a good priest who a while back decided to do ad orientem and was run out of his parish. The next priest who came in gave strong sermons and told females to dress with greater dignity and was also run out of the parish. There are still good men out there. <br /><br />I must say when going to a NO parish often there are all sorts of nooks and crannies in the sanctuary and the candle doesn't burn, when the tabernacle is off centre I get a moment of great angst until it is located - a moment of profound disorientation.<br /><br />Musings from Down Under.Jameyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523915974208712573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-25580566854123294142013-06-18T07:56:53.923-04:002013-06-18T07:56:53.923-04:00In addition to returning to the norm of Communion ...In addition to returning to the norm of Communion on the tongue, I would also like to see a return to the Communion rail to ensure the most reverent reception of the Host. I agree with Paulus also, get rid of the EMHCs! Especially at Masses where there are less than 100 people, which seems to be the norm in my diocese. Renee Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-28944973185685490482013-06-17T23:38:13.333-04:002013-06-17T23:38:13.333-04:00I'd like to see a post on why you think the Co...I'd like to see a post on why you think the Consecration of Russia will never take place.<br /><br />I agree on all 12, by the way. And while I agree that it is unrealistic for every bishop to be fired, I'd like to see head rolls, and at a much higher speed. We live in the modern age with telephones, e-mail, and video conferences (which all now can fit in the palm of your hand). Start using them!Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-20058910189529718052013-06-17T16:03:48.663-04:002013-06-17T16:03:48.663-04:00I agree with the twelve suggestions here too. I li...I agree with the twelve suggestions here too. I like how they also cover a range of topics (which is sadly indicative of the range of problems facing the Church).<br />Regarding the EF, I think that its regular celebration by the Pope would also help, perhaps in conjunction and alternatively with the triregnum (i.e. sometimes OF with triregnum, EF without triregnum and vice versa, so that the triregnum is not just associated with the EF). After all, if the EF and the OF are one rite, there's no problem for the Pope to use it publicly, right? It could be considered a pastoral gesture too, considering all the EF goers nowadays.spraffmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651988079265709782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-5806330640557870042013-06-17T13:52:23.788-04:002013-06-17T13:52:23.788-04:00Some excellent suggestions, but with regard to the...Some excellent suggestions, but with regard to the liturgy I believe the most urgent matter has been omitted: Get rid of those &%?#*^! EMHCs.<br /><br />'Extaordinary' must be defined, e.g. Masses of at least 1,000 people. This seems to me the most widespread and widely accepted abuse.Paulusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-72422563551478537472013-06-17T11:02:34.645-04:002013-06-17T11:02:34.645-04:00I think one more reform that should be carried out...I think one more reform that should be carried out is to celebrate the EF every Sunday, at a convenient time (in the morning, on Sunday) in the Cathedral of the local diocese. In many dioceses, the EF is in an isolated area and at an inconvenient time. This would give the EF mass goers a central location, and a regular normal time to go to services.Steve Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07365458906085087105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-74021748219431279082013-06-17T10:41:47.861-04:002013-06-17T10:41:47.861-04:00I like your suggestions, and I do think they are r...I like your suggestions, and I do think they are reasonable. Still, your non-suggestion that the Pope ask bishops to have the EF Mass available at least once per month in every parish would probably be the most important and far-reaching change. If only!!!Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-70191323936201630272013-06-17T01:19:34.354-04:002013-06-17T01:19:34.354-04:00Fully agree on all 12....Fully agree on all 12....Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-17393393685432669412013-06-16T23:28:10.914-04:002013-06-16T23:28:10.914-04:00I find it helpful to think of three categories of ...I find it helpful to think of three categories of renewal: governance, teaching, and liturgy (that correspond with Christ's three offices: king, prophet, priest). Governance would include a firmer stance on distribution of communion to pro-abortion politicians (perhaps following Cardinal Burke's canonical work on the topic), intolerance for heresy in Catholic universities and seminaries (as you said, perhaps a oath against modernism for clerics at least). Teaching would have to be rooted once again in St. Thomas and some work with Vatican II (maybe Bishop Athanasius Schneider's suggestion of a new syllabus of errors). And liturgy of course what you wrote.<br /><br />But I do think above all we need to keep in mind Christ's three offices and work towards renewal in those three areas. The failures of the Church that we have seen have prevented Christ from exercising his offices in His body. To restore Christ into his body, we must allow him to exercise his power to rule our wills (governance), enlighten our intellects (governance), and sanctify our souls (liturgy).Carlnoreply@blogger.com