tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post8771384065614273010..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Program for Parish Renewal (part 3)Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-66012701391977010982011-08-04T19:32:34.746-04:002011-08-04T19:32:34.746-04:00I really have enjoyed reading this. I find though...I really have enjoyed reading this. I find though that realistically speaking it goes beyond just what is understood in Church documents. Even Priests who understand this is what the Holy Father wants and want to impelement at some point tend to put off the implementation of the TLM becuase of a lack of convictions and a lack of interst by the people. I don't know if most Priests believe this is for the good of the people anymore than a Novus Ordo said devoid of any Tradition. This is what i am finding is that the real important thing is getting Priests to develop convictions about this issue. Until then I don't see how parish renewal in terms of restoring Tradition in the Liturgy will ever happen in most parishes. This is why I am starting to lean toward the idea of renewal coming from Traditional Parishes. <br />Thanks again for this blog!<br />God Bless!<br />RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27597204832025880372011-06-02T21:16:16.737-04:002011-06-02T21:16:16.737-04:00Fr. G, Boniface wrote that his pastor waited three...Fr. G, Boniface wrote that his pastor waited three years until his congregation was ripe. He did not write that the pastor waited three years because he needed more time to learn the traditional Mass. My comments were predicated on the truth of Boniface's statements. Yes, I did take them at face value.<br /><br />Pax.Clare Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07718678735292399821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-11285058141990871112011-06-01T18:54:28.389-04:002011-06-01T18:54:28.389-04:00With your comment Mr. Mulligan, you have proven wh...With your comment Mr. Mulligan, you have proven what I wrote. I am sorry. You can not accept you were wrong. I really did try to offer my comments as a service to you. Perhaps others who are exposed to this thread may be able to glean a benefit from our exchange. I will no longer comment on this particular thread since what I have written above now stands out with even greater clarity.Father Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-68053492885319614762011-05-27T18:04:36.673-04:002011-05-27T18:04:36.673-04:00Father G, Boniface said in his post that the pasto...Father G, Boniface said in his post that the pastor decided to wait until his congregation was "ripe" enough for the traditional Mass.<br /><br />If that is a correct statement, then his pastor violated Summorum Pontificum.Clare Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07718678735292399821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-78540287113301439412011-05-19T11:07:57.862-04:002011-05-19T11:07:57.862-04:00Dear Mr. Mulligan,
I have been monitoring this blo...Dear Mr. Mulligan,<br />I have been monitoring this blog with interest. Boniface has offered his account of what happened at this parish with tremendous loyalty and affection, so I have not commented here on some of the minor factual errors. Unfortunately, it is necessary that I respond to your complaint not for my sake but for the sake of others who might read it and for their pastors.<br /> Your accusation is COMPLETELY unfounded. In the first place, the Motu Proprio itself contains more requirements than just that there be a request on the part of the people. For example, the priest has to understand, at least to some degree, the Latin of the Mass and the rite itself. There are other requirements too. Thus there was no violation of the decree.<br /> Secondly, and sadly, we must all be on guard against rash judgments of others when we do not entirely understand everything about their situation. Teresa of Avila, instead of rushing in with accusations, would try to find excuses for wrongdoers. "Conservative" Catholics already have the reputation of feeling superior, being quick to anger and to judge others. I am sure you are not like that but perhaps you are not aware of how your message sounded. It would probably have been better to at least have qualified your accusation a bit. The Book of Sirach says that the wise man is circumspect in all things. Peace. Father GAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-20571893585534990882011-05-17T20:03:22.881-04:002011-05-17T20:03:22.881-04:00Timothy-
Perhaps, but let me clarify something. T...Timothy-<br /><br />Perhaps, but let me clarify something. These people did not all come together requesting a TLM. If they did, he might not have hesitated. What happened was one single individual went around asking everybody if they were interested in a TLM, and the people were like, "Oh, sure, that'd be nice," and signed it. So, really it represented the organizational efforts of one single man who got seventy families to sign saying that they would attend it if it were made available. It was not as if there was 70 families demanding it and the pastor refused. But, maybe you are right...and any rate, nobody complained by the delay. The families had such trust in the pastor's handling of the situation that they were willing to wait on his judgment, which seemed to be the best course in the end.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-90896982863156724862011-05-17T19:30:53.640-04:002011-05-17T19:30:53.640-04:00Your pastor violated Summorum Pontificum by waitin...Your pastor violated Summorum Pontificum by waiting three years after receiving the request of 70 families for the traditional Mass. There is no "ripeness" provision in Summorum Pontificum. He could have gotten them ready with one or two catechetical sessions.<br /><br />It's not right to excuse a delay like this.Clare Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07718678735292399821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76590226045518506572011-05-16T07:37:09.077-04:002011-05-16T07:37:09.077-04:00Yes, but these numbers don't tell the whole st...Yes, but these numbers don't tell the whole story - Catholic Jeopardy was a very intensive, fun, activity where they learned a TON of information and was one of the most popular nights of the year. The BVM night was imprudently scheduled the same weekend as First Communion, so a lot of people did not come. The Papacy night was scheduled when I first started and only had about ten kids coming anyway, so it was normal for that time but low compared to later in the year.<br /><br />Nyuk Nyuk.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-36019301097191810112011-05-16T00:24:55.614-04:002011-05-16T00:24:55.614-04:00Highest Attendance: ...Highest Attendance: 36 (1/25/09, Catholic Jeopardy)<br />Lowest Attendance: 14 (5/3/09, Topic Night: "Blessed Virgin Mary") <br /><br />Highest Attendance: 38 (4/13/08, Game Night II)<br /><br />Lowest Attendance: 8 (11/25/07, Topic Night: “The Papacy”)<br /><br />---<br /><br />Nyuk nyuk nyukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com