tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post1498803242001468515..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: The essence of beliefBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-57406072341854022972013-01-29T10:10:16.240-05:002013-01-29T10:10:16.240-05:00Thanks for this clarification. I vaguely remember ...Thanks for this clarification. I vaguely remember reading something about the lack of "in" before "unam sanctam...) in the creed in an article on SanctaMissa.org and I think it said something along those lines too.spraffmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651988079265709782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55649900365266302462013-01-29T08:06:26.283-05:002013-01-29T08:06:26.283-05:00Actually, your former comment was closer to the ma...Actually, your former comment was closer to the mark.<br /><br />The Faith vested "in" the propositions of the Faith that have God as their author is different from the Faith that is put in the Church as the one who proclaims those revelations. In the absolute sense, we can have complete Faith "IN" God only, because cannot lie; we have Faith in the Church in a relative sense because she proclaims God's truth.<br /><br />The Catechism actually makes this clear:<br /><br />"Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation." Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith." (169)<br /><br />"In the Apostles' Creed we profess "one Holy Church" (Credo . . . Ecclesiam), and not to believe in the Church, so as not to confuse God with his works and to attribute clearly to God's goodness all the gifts he has bestowed on his Church." (CCC 750)Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-2512569598684056242013-01-29T06:46:03.737-05:002013-01-29T06:46:03.737-05:00Ah, scrap that last comment - it would probably be...Ah, scrap that last comment - it would probably be in the dative case if it were the transitive form of believe, i.e. "et uni sanctae catholicae et apostolicae Ecclesiae" for "I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church"spraffmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651988079265709782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-57403547102267119492013-01-29T06:35:40.587-05:002013-01-29T06:35:40.587-05:00I know this article was written a while ago but I ...I know this article was written a while ago but I was wondering about something in the Latin creed and this post came into my head (I read it recently on the UAC website). <br />We say "Credo in unum Deum...et in unum Dominum Iesum Christum...et in Spiritum Sanctum... et unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam". Is there a reason why it is not "Credo IN unam sanctam catholicam...."? Is this because we believe the Church as a person or body whom we consider trustworthy rather than a proposition to be believed? Or am I just making a mountain out of a molehill?spraffmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02651988079265709782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-86083523642537288372009-12-07T17:54:51.737-05:002009-12-07T17:54:51.737-05:00Boniface, when you wrote "has already adopted...Boniface, when you wrote "has already adopted de facto..." did you mean "a priori"?Ben Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-63630802524561300272009-12-07T16:59:58.947-05:002009-12-07T16:59:58.947-05:00Very thorough explanations! God has provided human...Very thorough explanations! God has provided humans with reason in order that they may freely determine what they put their faith in. Faith is definitely in complete agreement with reason. Many evolutionists (many of whom are atheists or at least agnostic) decide to put their faith in the theoretical constructs of man. As Catholics, we willingly put our faith in the words and signs of God, a supernatural being. I definitely prefer trusting an infallible supernatural being as opposed to fallible men!Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13253894471336737960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55805406017388954352009-12-07T13:26:14.911-05:002009-12-07T13:26:14.911-05:00I have nothing to add to your arguments, except to...I have nothing to add to your arguments, except to say that I believe Newman grappled with this topic masterfully in his "Grammar of Assent", particularly the last third of the book. He start with the question, what do we mean by "Reason", and attacks the rather ridiculous idea that Reason is confined solely to explicit or formal reasoning. He then illustrates how the 'knowing' associated with faith is not unreasonable, but is similar to the way we know many other things that formal reasoning itself depends upon our knowing. His analysis of the 'illative sense' and the human display of reason is profound and thought-provoking. <br /><br />Peiper is easier reading though. :-DKatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03787892622804373968noreply@blogger.com