tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post2121933598258602947..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: The Traditional Low Mass: Simplicity vs. InformalityBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-32313351322209138442022-06-25T18:16:41.727-04:002022-06-25T18:16:41.727-04:00Valid though it may be, the NO doesn’t exactly ent...Valid though it may be, the NO doesn’t exactly entice the soul to enter more deeply into itself and God through mystical prayer in the same way that TLM does. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-6484868684481667102022-06-20T23:46:53.014-04:002022-06-20T23:46:53.014-04:00Whatever one thinks of the dialogue Mass (and for ...Whatever one thinks of the dialogue Mass (and for what it's worth, I am against it on both historical and practical grounds), it should be noted that the purely sotto voce low Mass was a liturgical abuse; the rubrics call for everything that would be sung in a Missa Cantata to be recited audibly, at least to those in the front pews. <br /><br />The last five decades, I should hope, have shown the danger of "relevance to the modern laity" as a criterion for liturgical practice, when the Mass comes with its own intrinsic ends, and the goal is for us to be shaped by it. The Mass is not primarily, or even perhaps prominently, didactic, and it is not a good thing to modify it to flatter the very historically un-Catholic assumption otherwise. I have been a full-time trad for almost seven years, but I barely appreciated the old Mass at all until I realized that it wasn't meant to be a didactic experience. Sometimes, there's no way around a paradigm shift, especially when a previous paradigm shift is the real problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-69144859742659928832022-06-04T16:27:58.726-04:002022-06-04T16:27:58.726-04:00@Dutch Boy
In the years I have been around Trads,...@Dutch Boy<br /><br />In the years I have been around Trads, I have seen mixed feelings on the dialogue mass. Many feel as you do; I would probably count myself among them. But there are many others who prefer the sotto voce low mass. I don't think there is a specific trad position on the question.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-39760439681204780992022-06-04T15:34:16.612-04:002022-06-04T15:34:16.612-04:00In my youth I enjoyed the dialogue Latin mass, in ...In my youth I enjoyed the dialogue Latin mass, in which the laity and priest participated in the liturgy. I thought it was better suited to a modern, literate laity than the sotto voce dialogue between the priest and the altar servers in the low mass. My impression is that the current supporters of the extraordinary form disapprove of the dialogue mass, considering it to diminish the role of the priest in the liturgy and as a step toward the current ordinary form. I thought it was a genuine liturgical reform to make the mass more relevant to a the modern laity and far superior to the disastrous post Vatican II liturgical revolution. Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-44456187352049595412022-06-04T08:52:02.406-04:002022-06-04T08:52:02.406-04:00Whenever I go to a Novus Ordo Mass, the adjective ...Whenever I go to a Novus Ordo Mass, the adjective that always springs to mind is "needy". The Vetus Ordo basically says, "This is what we're doing; this is what the Church does; take it or leave it." The Novus Ordo, with all its variations, options, and community participation, says, "Please be interested. Please pay attention. Please don't be bored. Please like me." It's a bit like having a really insecure friend who never gives you a moment's peace for fear that you'll forget him.Gaiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683100808581061355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-8610618752102551232022-05-22T08:26:25.695-04:002022-05-22T08:26:25.695-04:00I will take it a step further. Someone I knew once...I will take it a step further. Someone I knew once said, "I would rather go to a low mass than a Latin Novus Ordo with all the smells and bells." <br /><br />Also, I enjoy Low Mass, but it really shouldn't exist as something that the laity attends. It used to be the Mass the priest would say without lay present (hence why it is inaudible), but it just grew in a way that lay people started to attend.<br /><br />I have seen "low Masses" that were audible and even some where parts of it were prayed intoned, maybe that is the way to go if there ever was a true reform.Alexander Verbumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01656300899868422182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-76395943992049686202022-05-14T12:54:46.831-04:002022-05-14T12:54:46.831-04:00There is a TLM still offered on Sundays I believe:...There is a TLM still offered on Sundays I believe: at 9:30 am.M. Prodigalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598092468839468735noreply@blogger.com