tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post3435487835771582323..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Book Review: Second Vatican Council: An Unwritten StoryBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-58523037486620577562013-09-01T06:06:26.008-04:002013-09-01T06:06:26.008-04:00Beefy, I think the damage was limited by some of t...Beefy, I think the damage was limited by some of the orthodox theologians so yes I agree the Holy Ghost worked through those men. However the lack of precision in wording (which was intentional) has led to the hijacking of doctrine as referred to by Boniface in his post. Then there are a few words in the documents that are seriously problematic (eg the Church of God "subsists" in the Catholic Church). Many prominent churchmen throughout the following decades simply said there was no rupture (ie hermeneutic of continuity). A couple of the more prominent liberals (such as Suenens and Congar) had the honesty to say there was actually a revolution. Bob Sungenis put together an interesting essay about how the confusion resulting from the Council was a spiritual chastisement from God. Sr Lucia herself said in 1958 a huge chastisement was imminent, we normally see chastisements in physical terms however they can be of a metaphysical nature.<br /><br />I am not Spartucus relating to the neo-cons you refer to who refuse to discuss any of the deep seated issues in the Church, Voris recently put out a Vortex about how they protect their pay packets before the truth, and names names. Some have probably seen it since it has done the rounds on trad forums but for those who haven't here goes:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1OPvJ3GIMsJameyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523915974208712573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-53899472454937340092013-08-31T20:52:12.327-04:002013-08-31T20:52:12.327-04:00The Holy Spirit was definitely present at Vatican ...The Holy Spirit was definitely present at Vatican II: he was there to prevent serious compromises with doctrine, despite the best efforts of some prominent bishops and theologians.Beefy Levinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672190212311744730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-38331423080434267142013-08-30T14:31:48.084-04:002013-08-30T14:31:48.084-04:00I am hoping for the day when the so-called "n...I am hoping for the day when the so-called "neo-conservatives" will read materials like this and just accept what happened instead defending every breathe and eye blink that comes from Rome as if it were Divinity itself.Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998296715568420559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-50741697780770738542013-08-29T02:57:08.404-04:002013-08-29T02:57:08.404-04:00I Am Not Spartacus said: "Don't hold your...I Am Not Spartacus said: "Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be reviewed by the conservative catholic collective."<br /><br />Dynamic silence?<br /><br />Cardinal Suenens: "Vatican II is the French revolution in the Church."<br /><br />We know the suppressed portion of the Fatima Third Secret refers to "troubling apostasies within the bosom of the Faith". Several cardinals who were privy to the Third Secret talked about a great apostasy being the essence of the message. It was to be released in 1960, did it really refer to an "evil council" as per Fr Dollinger's words, a German theologian and apparent friend of B16 according to Fr Paul Kramer. Cardinal Oddi said in 1990 he thinks the Third Secret had to do with convening VII. Malcolm Muggeridge's daughter wrote about how John XXIII realised he lost control of the Council. Sr Lucia herself struggled for months to write the Third Secret because there was no precedent what was to happen to the Faith. The first two secrets there were precedents for, including the annihilation of nations. But something orchestrated that would result in the Faith being almost wiped out was unique (See Kenneth C Jones Catholic indicators pre and post VII). As one priest and Fatima commentator mentioned a country losing its faith is far worse than the annihilation of a nation.<br /><br />Interestingly I came across an article of the New York Times which praised the Second Vatican Council as the greatest religious event of the Twentieth Century and one where the Church finally gave up its siege mentality. Well it had a siege mentality previously because previous pontiffs didn't underestimate the degree to which Satan was trying to infiltrate her. Indeed many key contributors to the Council had been censured during Pius XII's reign.Jameyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523915974208712573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-71537186324345026752013-08-25T23:18:43.264-04:002013-08-25T23:18:43.264-04:00Boniface, have you ever read Geoffrey Hull's &...Boniface, have you ever read Geoffrey Hull's "The Banished Heart"? It is also a very eye-openning book, though I'm sure many traditionalists may not like what the author (who is a traditionalist himself) has to say.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-91828953218634497412013-08-22T16:18:53.615-04:002013-08-22T16:18:53.615-04:00Actually I did make a few marks in pencil, but com...Actually I did make a few marks in pencil, but compared to yours, I do not think you will notice at all.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-74729262462257070582013-08-22T16:12:58.926-04:002013-08-22T16:12:58.926-04:00Dear Brother Boniface. I knew you were on who coul...Dear Brother Boniface. I knew you were on who could write an excellent review of this book.<br /><br />Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be reviewed by the conservative catholic collective.<br /><br />All thanks go to you, Boniface, and I hope you didn't make any marks in my book.<br /><br />Blessings back at ya from a huge fan.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.com