tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post5484962295653749654..comments2024-03-18T15:16:08.163-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Rob Bell: Stressing the Fault Lines of ProtestantismBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-73125025959961829852013-11-18T21:55:05.252-05:002013-11-18T21:55:05.252-05:00Can't find a direct reference but this article...Can't find a direct reference but this article analyzes his view.<br />http://www.academia.edu/1996885/Reconsidering_Apokatastasis_in_St_Gregory_of_Nyssas_On_the_Soul_and_Resurrection_and_the_Catechetical_Oration<br /><br />Also recommended is Mark Shea's article.<br />http://www.ncregister.com/blog/mark-shea/a-reader-has-a-question-about-hell/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-58362034314479672332013-11-18T11:06:47.398-05:002013-11-18T11:06:47.398-05:00Newenglandsun,
Can you please provide a reference...Newenglandsun,<br /><br />Can you please provide a reference for Gregory's comments? I have heard this reference from St Gregory a lot, but I have also heard he is being misquoted. Thanks.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-54443056078449331372013-11-18T08:16:58.215-05:002013-11-18T08:16:58.215-05:00Actually, Gregory of Nazianzus, a Catholic and Ort...Actually, Gregory of Nazianzus, a Catholic and Orthodox saint, mind you, tampers with the question but leaves it in the hands of God.<br /><br />So stating that to tamper with the question and at least hope for the salvation of all is not heretical.<br /><br />Saying everyone will be saved is heretical because not everyone chooses salvation and this was the purpose of Bell's book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-20026098236703437082012-08-17T10:31:41.223-04:002012-08-17T10:31:41.223-04:00"Protestant heretics":
http://en.wikipe..."Protestant heretics":<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith#Jesus_died_spiritually<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-644401123509344512011-06-13T11:46:09.809-04:002011-06-13T11:46:09.809-04:00That's great! Thanks Boniface, that was what I...That's great! Thanks Boniface, that was what I was actually expecting! God bless you.Angelicbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180896475735598957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-44656305294020613162011-06-12T23:26:32.983-04:002011-06-12T23:26:32.983-04:00Angelicbob-
I don't have time to dig into rig...Angelicbob-<br /><br />I don't have time to dig into right now, but check out this older post of Anselm's on the issue of Christ's death:<br /><br />http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-god-my-god-why-hast-thou-forsaken-me.htmlBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-42090761327570785682011-06-08T10:59:07.049-04:002011-06-08T10:59:07.049-04:00I'd like to hear a little more about what happ...I'd like to hear a little more about what happened to Christ on the cross. What I've thought happened to Christ when he said, "Eloi, Eloi" was that He was depraved of the feeling of the Father's help, but not actually truly lacking it, similar to how we are when we suffer. Its kitschy, but kinda like the Footprints poem. I don't think I've ever thought that Christ suffered in hell when He descended there. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear what the official Church teaching is on it.Angelicbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180896475735598957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-51078117644615586482011-06-02T10:15:46.783-04:002011-06-02T10:15:46.783-04:00Well, there is a difference between hoping that as...Well, there is a difference between hoping that as many as possible may be saved and with positing universal reconciliation as a plausible theological opinion. But at any rate, the reason I think he is a heretic is because he believed and taught that Christ was actually abandoned by God the Father on the cross and that He actually suffered the pains of hell when He descended on Holy Saturday - this is in fact the Protestant doctrine of Penal Substitution.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-91870170109728614182011-06-02T10:15:45.668-04:002011-06-02T10:15:45.668-04:00Well, there is a difference between hoping that as...Well, there is a difference between hoping that as many as possible may be saved and with positing universal reconciliation as a plausible theological opinion. But at any rate, the reason I think he is a heretic is because he believed and taught that Christ was actually abandoned by God the Father on the cross and that He actually suffered the pains of hell when He descended on Holy Saturday - this is in fact the Protestant doctrine of Penal Substitution.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-46970140988558620022011-06-01T23:36:03.927-04:002011-06-01T23:36:03.927-04:00I would maybe temper calling Balthasar heretical. ...I would maybe temper calling Balthasar heretical. I haven't read Dare We Hope, but my understanding is that he's not saying that everyone goes to heaven despite mortal sin, but rather that theoretically, since every man has the choice of heaven or hell, that they could have chosen heaven and then everyone is in heaven? (Or at least they're working off their sins in purgatory for a long time) I find it interesting cause we should be a people of hope, and the Church declares people in heaven, but does not condemn people to hell saying. Was Balthasar more explicit in the book saying that this is doctrine according to him? Anyway, that's not my impression.Angelicbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180896475735598957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-28200056479755451572011-05-17T19:52:45.129-04:002011-05-17T19:52:45.129-04:00Indeed, Von Balthasar got his concepts of Hell fro...Indeed, Von Balthasar got his concepts of Hell from the Swiss Protestant theologian Karl Barth, so this is nothing new in Protestant-land.Sam Urferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07806827231748991885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-24493819071672489142011-05-17T16:08:33.755-04:002011-05-17T16:08:33.755-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.peethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17801369779625472334noreply@blogger.com