tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post5499159006829160736..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: What's wrong with missionary priests?Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-34527028729006956272009-05-27T23:39:59.894-04:002009-05-27T23:39:59.894-04:00One of the many reasons why even as a Charismatic ...One of the many reasons why even as a Charismatic myself upholding traditional Catholicism will never attend illicit Novus Ordo Masses like you described, saved there was no other Mass left to attend too. Even my mom who is a hardcore Charismatic Catholic (being a coordinator of one of the biggest Charismatic groups in the Philippines) quickly realizes the value of the Traditional Latin Mass, and traditional Catholic demeanor and piety from traditional Catholic priests like the SSPX and ICRSS; and the danger of the Novus Ordo and how dangerous the 'Spectre of Vatican II' is(well this for me is precious since it's not everyday you hear this from a staunch Charismatic).The Postmodernisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17929532909934116268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-84035707991438449442009-05-26T18:04:32.468-04:002009-05-26T18:04:32.468-04:00Put it to music, Mara.... and belt it out.
How ...Put it to music, Mara.... and belt it out. <br /><br />How appropriate his song was from Les Mis, and he succeeded in making many in the pews the miserable ones.<br /><br /><br />.Mr Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-60856520837127982182009-05-26T17:09:56.574-04:002009-05-26T17:09:56.574-04:00heh. How did I guess you were going to blog about ...heh. How did I guess you were going to blog about this... (I also plan on doing so...when I get around to it. And I had a lot more clear thoughts right after it happened...let's see if I can pull them out of the recesses of my mind...)Mara Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296656033652896228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-11314431532606643192009-05-25T13:09:11.722-04:002009-05-25T13:09:11.722-04:00I'm glad you wrote to his sponsoring organization....I'm glad you wrote to his sponsoring organization. Please, consider also sending a CC the pastor who invited him, your ordinary, perhaps the superior of his order, and the Congregation for Clergy. It's very sad. I bet this priest started out with a generous spirit of self-sacrifice to bring the Faith to foreign lands, but somewhere in his formation was taught and convinced that "the Church doesn't do that anymore."Viator Catholicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15204415401649604636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-83333990079963414382009-05-25T12:29:04.834-04:002009-05-25T12:29:04.834-04:00I have it from a very reliable source that the ret...I have it from a very reliable source that the retired priest in question does in fact have a serious "shaking" problem". At some point he needs to address the problem that is his, not the "problem" of a reverent communicant.<br /><br />However, that shaking could occur if he were placing the host in the palm or on the tongue. I would not be upset if I was bumped or smacked with Christ during the reception of communion.<br /><br />Additionally, the priest in question did have a very good voice... but then perhaps the vibrato was not learned...<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azULVliHn6Y<br />but came with the shake.<br /><br />As for his "do this...." problem, I have chosen to write to him and copy my pastor on what my understanding is of this command. I used a good portion of Adoration time to reflect on this, and on what I felt I needed to say.<br /><br />It is quite a big difference in what he was "teaching" and what the Church has held for 2000 years. I doubt he can sing his way out of the heresy I heard.<br /><br />.Mr Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-85709381746154671952009-05-25T11:10:41.704-04:002009-05-25T11:10:41.704-04:00ooh, yes - sorry I DID indeed mean the Feast of th...ooh, yes - sorry I DID indeed mean the Feast of the Ascension. I need more coffee :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123213011002107442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-56860975739632411592009-05-25T10:45:39.946-04:002009-05-25T10:45:39.946-04:00Japhy-
The shaking did not manifest itself during...Japhy-<br /><br />The shaking did not manifest itself during the elevation or any other time...I looked and saw a very minute movement while he was holding the paten, but it was barely noticeable. If a priest is so shaky he can't give on the tongue, he shouldn't have faculties to celebrate Mass then...on the other hand, if he is steady enough to elevate the chalice AND play the piano, then he shouldn't invoke this disease to withold communion on the tongue...<br /><br />Timothy-<br /><br />Could you please forward me what you sent to him? I'm curious as to what you mean by "frank."<br /><br />Jeanne-<br /><br />We only had a heads up that a missionary priest was coming. In our diocese, we are mandated to host a missionary priest twice per year. The diocese selects what organization will come, and then the organization selects which priest. We have no say in it. Our pastor was on vacation, I think...and I'm sure you meant the Ascension, not the Assumption. :)Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-54707932996661701452009-05-25T09:46:02.416-04:002009-05-25T09:46:02.416-04:00Hi Boniface,
I would be curious to know if anyone ...Hi Boniface,<br />I would be curious to know if anyone attempted to receive on the tongue from the shaky priest. As a previous person commented, if he was so shaky, how did he manage to hold up the cup during consecration without it spilling? <br /><br />Give us a follow up please, after you speak to your pastor - I would like to know how the process works - how do the missions get selected for support, who checks up on them before they come to the church? Since you work for the parish, did you have a heads-up about him coming?<br /><br />And lastly, it was the celebration of the Feast of the Assumption - why have a visiting priest on such an important day?????Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17123213011002107442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-38071132329555525622009-05-25T06:51:41.467-04:002009-05-25T06:51:41.467-04:00I have emailed your blog entry to "Patrick," along...I have emailed your blog entry to "Patrick," along with a rather frank email message.<br /><br />I think that the problems you describe with missionary priests could, possibly, be attributable to the type of people-oriented temperament (sanguine?) prevalent among missionaries. This temperament does not concern itself too much with proper order.<br /><br />In this case, however, I think it has more to do with arrested adolescence. I perceive attention-seeking and self-promotion. It's so ironic that the man who talks about the importance of the people is making himself the center of attention, the star of the show. Les Miserables???!!! What the heck?!<br /><br />A friend of mine last year told me about his pastor, who insisted on "practicing" various secular songs on the organ from the choir loft, singing of course, right up until a few minutes before Mass. My friend complained to the bishop. It was actually quite a struggle to put a halt to these little concerts. But I think we're looking at the same phenomenon. <br /><br />I do not agree, however, that a concern for others entails bad liturgy. It is just the opposite. And good liturgy entails service to others. Do not fall into the trap of separating them, please.Clare Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07718678735292399821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-50238140872223892832009-05-25T02:12:37.551-04:002009-05-25T02:12:37.551-04:00My condolences on the bad Mass.
I would like to p...My condolences on the bad Mass.<br /><br />I would like to point out, however, that the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest is a missionary order. Indeed, the only missionary priest I know is the local Extraordinary Form priest from the Institute. So it's not missionary priests per se, so much as those you have met.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-77031801613993575112009-05-24T23:53:50.084-04:002009-05-24T23:53:50.084-04:00Hey, this is the second time I've heard this depre...Hey, this is the <A HREF="http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=340974" REL="nofollow">second time</A> I've heard this depressing story today.<br /><br />About his "shaking disease"... did it manifest itself during the Mass? Such as when he held up the Host and Chalice during the Eucharistic Prayer?<br /><br />Regarding that Vatican2.org web site, some of it is really horrendous. They pit pre-Vatican II statements against the documents themselves (often as if the culprit was Pope Pius IX alone) instead of attempting (as hard as it may be at times...) to reconcile the pre-Vatican II statements with those from Vatican II. I'm a bit surprised to see they don't list any RECENT documents as "opposed" to Vatican II.<br /><br />The web site does not seem to be kept up to date. The series on CUF.org ("Catholics United for the Faith)" is incomplete: only <A HREF="http://vatican2.org/CUF1.htm" REL="nofollow">one part</A> is done, and it's seven years old... and it's exceptionally vindictive and mean-spirited. Look at a sampling of the problems the author finds that she says indicates CUF.org "claim[s] to be faithful to Catholic teachings and practice but do[es] not in fact follow some of the most essential Catholic principles as enunciated by Vatican II":<br /><br />* "CUF’s misuse of Scripture and CUF’s misuse of the Catechism." This claim is not supported by evidence.<br /><br />* "First, CUF has appropriated [proselytizing] techniques used by organizations such as Campus Crusade for Christ." This claim is not supported by evidence.<br /><br />* "Second, for virtually every teaching, CUF uses a Sola Scriptura explanation." This claim is not supported by evidence, and I thought CUF "misused" the Catechism as well!<br /><br />* Concerned about the presence of former Protestants on the CUF staff, and very interested to know exactly WHICH Protestant backgrounds they had.<br /><br />* "Protestants do not need evangelization in the sense that evangelization is about spreading the Gospel ... which [they] already have." Except that if Protestants had the Gospel in its entirety and understood it properly (that's the catechesis portion which the author admits Protestants need), they'd BE Catholic. They don't have the WHOLE Gospel!<br /><br />* "Evangelical Protestant mind manipulation." No evidence.<br /><br />* "Scott Hahn ... specifically states that he and other converts do not give up the Protestantism of their evangelical past in their conversion to Catholicism." No quote given.<br /><br />* "This is the CUF magazine. Basically, the issues of this magazine reviewed thus far are party line with no gross errors. This magazine is traditional Catholicism." Is that a compliment or not? I can't tell!<br /><br />* Harping on typos, some of which are regrettable ("canon" and "deuterocanonical"), some of which are harmless ("the use of THEY when referring to a single book"), but again, no evidence (context) provided!<br /><br />Well, I've hogged your blog long enough. Endure, Boniface. I hear there's a crown of glory waiting...Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-52697575112731919152009-05-24T23:41:44.060-04:002009-05-24T23:41:44.060-04:00What a terrible experience. This man's website is...What a terrible experience. This man's website is extremely egotistical and his bio is an eye-opener.<br /><br />Teaching at Notre Dame at the invite of Richard McBrien says a lot.<br /><br />The references written by priests are disconcerting. Luckily, I don't think our Bishop would allow this priest and his "feelingful" message in our diocese!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-2123321786505099012009-05-24T21:51:12.595-04:002009-05-24T21:51:12.595-04:00Thanks very much for writing this. I hope you send...Thanks very much for writing this. I hope you send it to your bishop. We need to continue to get the word out about liturgical abuse.<br /><br />In the peace of Christ,<br /><br />- BryanBryan Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13269970389157868131noreply@blogger.com