tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post5896518751238130479..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Dogma "ex voce"Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-86163971648047918592015-01-23T22:14:43.155-05:002015-01-23T22:14:43.155-05:00Hey Anon!
Theology of the Body is somewhere in be...Hey Anon!<br /><br />Theology of the Body is somewhere in between...it certain isn't tradition, but it's not entirely novel, either. It is more of a development of traditional themes drawn out in personalism language. So I'd say neither total novelty nor tradition - and there is really nothing "subversive" about Theology of the Body. It is not contrary to Tradition but parallel to it. The instances I am citing are more like the case where Cardinal Dolan says "Bravo" to the homosexual football player - a subversive message coming through an unofficial channel.<br /><br />Regarding your second question, I may do something on that but I just as might not. I tend to leave the absurd comments of the current Holy Father alone. I try not to be a blogger who is constantly opining on current events, although I do some times. There's too much to keep up with with Francis.<br /><br />Pax.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-7641515051697161692015-01-23T20:00:48.748-05:002015-01-23T20:00:48.748-05:00I am wondering where the Theology of the Body, as ...I am wondering where the Theology of the Body, as taught by JPII during Wednesday audiences, would fit in with this? Novelty or explication or tradition? Neither?<br /><br />Also, in reading another post on Pope Benedict's statements about condoms in the Seewald interview, I was wondering if you will be posting anything on the interview Pope Francis gave this week, specifically about families, birth control, the number of children needed per family to sustain the population, etc.?<br /><br />Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-72275280737585055082010-10-21T11:55:31.516-04:002010-10-21T11:55:31.516-04:00This post points to the fact that the faithful in ...This post points to the fact that the faithful in general base their belief on the people around them rather than the perennial doctrines of the Church. At times when most people had sound doctrine, there was a correspondence among the faithful. And likewise the opposite. I think it is right and good that we base our faith on our neighbor, so to speak, because the doctrine is supposed to be a living thing, and we are having great demands put on us to believe the doctrines which are embodied in so few ways around us. This is a great test. Of course, at all times we have our Lord, and the saints to help and guide us.<br /><br />I think novel and dangerous/heretical doctrines are toyed around with in the universities and what-not, and then, if given a chance, trickle down. The whole destruction of the Church has been a top down phenomenon. One could say that the faithful were itching to rebel, but that is just the fallen nature of our souls -- we all have an itch to rebel. Although the rebellion was top-down, the reform seems to be bottom-up. While I think this is admirable, and necessary, I don't think anything significant is going to happen until the Pope and the Bishops get their heads on straight. We are creators that take cues from our leaders, whether we are willing to acknowledge that or not. The best thing we can do is hold a fire to the arses of our leaders.Seánnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-36127847766125885062010-10-19T07:19:23.928-04:002010-10-19T07:19:23.928-04:00Boniface,
Very excellent then. The Catholic bl...Boniface,<br /> Very excellent then. The Catholic blogs in general in my view are objectively committing the sin of flattery in regard to the Popes...subjectively I hope they are half conscious in God's eyes. You have Cardinals and bishops who assented to Pius XII's affirmation of the death penalty as young priests in 1952....and the same men are now assenting to calling it "cruel"....or they are biting their tongue so that they do not get transferred to lesser duties.<br />These two Popes would point to Tradition on birth control and they have undermined the very concept of Tradition on this dp issue which is crystal clear in the Bible. So they have undermined Tradition which they prefer to use on entirely different issues. Young intelligent Catholics must be saying to themselves....."soooo.....tradition is important....until it is not important."<br /> Great thanks though for an essay that like Paul in Galatians.....resists Peter when Peter is wrong. Such essays are rare because many on the net make a living from the "faithful Catholic"audience....who will drop patronage from anyone who criticizes the Pope. Ergo Catholic blogs will criticize the universe....but never the Pope. It is partly financial....and with priests, it is career movement. Not good. Paul in Galatians "resisted Peter to his face because he was deserving of blame"...that incident is in Scripture so that essays like yours would be common....but they are rare.bill bannonhttp://www.bannonoceanart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-43899847383687805372010-10-19T06:23:25.463-04:002010-10-19T06:23:25.463-04:00Thanks, Bill. I am aware that a lot of the things ...Thanks, Bill. I am aware that a lot of the things I referenced are not ex cathedra teachings - but I was pretty much just contrasting high level pronouncements (whether ex cathedra, decrees of councils or whatever) to low level pronouncements that seem to go in a different direction, which I am terming "ex voce" - the point is that the Magisterium is giving its teaching to us in a slightly different manner that allows for variations from what has come before. So, I was lumping all of the Church's infallible teachings under ex cathedra just to make a rhetorical contrast. But, thank you for pointing out that my posts would not suffer from a little more precision in language.<br /><br />PaxBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-83938813798198170052010-10-19T06:09:37.044-04:002010-10-19T06:09:37.044-04:00I liked your essay except I do think you should co...I liked your essay except I do think you should consult a priest you trust on what is encompassed by "ex cathedra".<br />I thinknit is rarer than you think. I had Dominicans for 8 years and Jesuits for 8 years in Catholic schools and I don't think any would include under ex cathedra some of the ordinary papal magisterium that you mention. God repeatedly gave the death penalty not only to the Jews but to Jews and Gentiles for murder in Genesis 9:5-6 with a reason that was not transient in that case...ie because man<br />was made in God's image. John Paul II called the death penalty "cruel" in 1999 in St. Louis and Benedict then used the same word "cruel" once at Christmas and once through a Vatican papal letter writer for him in the Kentucky case.<br />Likewise Benedict also parroted John Paul's Easter speech on "war solves nothing"....by later using those exact words too. Apparently Benedict has a fundy understanding of his own "hermeneutic of continuity" and intends to verbatim copy mistakes by John Paul II. Would that he would copy the Bible instead like Aquinas at least mostly did.bill bannonhttp://www.bannonoceanart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55151774625281029292010-10-18T23:03:25.059-04:002010-10-18T23:03:25.059-04:00Nick-
It happens with many things...two I can thi...Nick-<br /><br />It happens with many things...two I can think of is (1) where it is taught that Allah and the Trinity are the same, and stuff like the Pope's Ramadan addresses and some speeches he made are cited as evidence, and (2) Stuff about evolution, where Schonborn's letters and the JPII's letter to the scientists are treated as ex cathedra statements. It happens on the conservative side as much as the liberal.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-31395579701302205252010-10-18T22:28:45.071-04:002010-10-18T22:28:45.071-04:00I find this problem especially showing it's ug...I find this problem especially showing it's ugly head when it comes to higher-level "education." <br /><br />When a young, uninformed but otherwise good-hearted Catholic goes to a "Catholic University" to get a degree in theology, especially so that they can teach "Religious Education" to youth or simply be on a parish committee, or even "teach" at a school or university, they are often "taught" the Catholic Faith from second and third hand sources rather than PRIMARY sources, and thus many receive not a solid Catholic education but rather learn whatever this or that liberal/twisted theologian wants to teach. This even happens when it comes to priestly formation. <br /><br />In reality, most Catholics don't follow (nor care) what this or that bishop or Pope said during a speech. Instead, they receive this errant information from the mouth of their priest or RE instructor, teacher, or simply by word of mouth gossip. <br /><br />I'd say a far worse and more pernicious error than the "empty hell" is the notion that Scripture contains errors. <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/10/vatican-ii-and-the-inerrancy-of-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">Here is a great post showing even Vatican II taught inerrancy</a> (thought not as forcefully as it could have, it at least linked to past Papal and Dogmatic teachings), though as everything else the false notion that Scripture has errors in it is still popularly parroted. <br /><br />Also as bad is the problem in which many teachers and textbooks don't make mention of the word "sin" (precluding Confession as well), such that homilies and other such resources give off the impression "all is well" and that sin is an out-dated concept.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-88633206665639581192010-10-18T15:42:16.385-04:002010-10-18T15:42:16.385-04:00I found an interesting article on the death penalt...I found an interesting article on the death penalty and Christianity that explaines some things I believe people often get wrong. Worth checking out: http://dstp.cba.pl/?p=3079Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com