tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post6582395684028250495..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Are the Bayside Apparitions False? Yes.Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-22176135619639210932021-06-18T21:03:12.888-04:002021-06-18T21:03:12.888-04:00there is no way that Veronica Lueken made up all t...there is no way that Veronica Lueken made up all those messages.. there is also no way .. that they are coming from the devil.. why would the devil tell us to pray the rosary like three times a day.. read the bible.. go to Mass every day.. wear a crucifix and st. benedict medal.. i know there are some weird and scary messages and i can understand how the Catholic church can just say she is a 'fake'.. so anyway.. we don't need to read the Bayside messages.. I am also into other interesting Catholic apparitions such as garabandal which has not been approved or disapproved and also Medjugorge.. i believe Medjugorge and Garabandal are also real.. but anyway. from what i read somehwere.. catholic are not even obliged to believe in the approved apparations like at Lourdes and Fatima..susan hopfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-51292230498872343512018-08-11T08:46:32.974-04:002018-08-11T08:46:32.974-04:00I am 54 and attended apparitions when I was only 1...I am 54 and attended apparitions when I was only 12 years of age. At the original site I was granted an apparition of my own (12 yrs old) and saw the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove high in the sky positioned over the church. The illumination is nothing I have seen since nor can compare to till this day. I could not speak or move until the vision passed. Nothing of that nature is from the devil. I would remind all to remember the denials of the hight priest, scribes and pharacies in accepting that a poor phrophet from Nazareth could be the anointed one and how our Lord spoke out against them. They were outraged that cures were committed on the sabbath and so on and yet our Lord continued his work despite their outrage. Dining with tax collectors and other sinners were clearly not in line with the Jewish beliefs at the time but the Lord himself defied in order to save.... the message exposes the evil in the Church and in exactly what we see today. The message is about saving souls..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-61839895457623243662015-07-21T13:20:35.725-04:002015-07-21T13:20:35.725-04:00Thank you so much Boniface. This helped me a lot a...Thank you so much Boniface. This helped me a lot and I could find all the information I needed without spending hours online searching. God bless!Tara Silbersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604808628516496727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-90221240794206103692015-03-09T23:04:02.910-04:002015-03-09T23:04:02.910-04:00Even a Protestant can have the indelible character...Even a Protestant can have the indelible character of Baptism. And they aren't Catholics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-7833877539065240812015-02-28T22:24:15.183-05:002015-02-28T22:24:15.183-05:00"There's no source backing the false teac..."There's no source backing the false teaching that once a Catholic you are always a Catholic."<br /><br />Catechism of the Catholic Church 1272: Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation.83Andy, Bad Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-29408316284276189072015-02-08T23:52:29.775-05:002015-02-08T23:52:29.775-05:00"apostate Catholic" - this is a self-con..."apostate Catholic" - this is a self-contradictory concept. Being a Catholic requires, first and foremost, holding the Catholic faith. There's no source backing the false teaching that once a Catholic you are always a Catholic.<br /><br />Public heretics and apostates are not members of the Church neither by internal union (like sincere Catechumens) nor by external union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-89147927284544373512015-01-28T20:43:18.804-05:002015-01-28T20:43:18.804-05:00No, wrong to you. You are still a Catholic, but a ...No, wrong to you. You are still a Catholic, but a bad Catholic, an apostate Catholic, a Catholic on his way to hell, but still a Catholic.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-19941970740228666162015-01-28T20:21:04.584-05:002015-01-28T20:21:04.584-05:00"The teaching of the Church is that baptism c..."The teaching of the Church is that baptism confers and indelible mark or character that can never be effaced, no matter what sin or apostasy the person commits. Grace may be lost, but the character of baptism may never be lost. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic - perhaps a bad Catholic, perhaps a fallen away Catholic, but always a Catholic. This is another example of the imprecise language rampant in the Bayside apparitions that detracts from their credibility."<br /><br />Wrong. The character of baptism is indelible, but once you become a public heretic (or apostate) you are not a Catholic anymore in any sense, neither by internal union nor by external union. There are many other ways of defecting from the Church. <br /><br />"Once a Catholic, always a Catholic" - obviously and totally false teaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-9956285131974887042015-01-15T11:44:37.734-05:002015-01-15T11:44:37.734-05:00These quotes are from Our Lady of the Roses Shrine...These quotes are from Our Lady of the Roses Shrine on the web site www.tldm.org<br /><br />“Better that a man has died in the womb of his mother than to disgrace and to bring discredit to My Mother.” (Jesus, 11-22-75)<br /><br />"Man can defame Me very easily but I will not allow him to defame My Mother." (Jesus, 6-18-93)<br /><br />"All who have closed their hearts to My Mother’s message will be brought down to their knees in shock! " (Jesus, 2-1-75)garyleewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11897903134893605172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-32466239251404890342014-09-23T10:56:54.820-04:002014-09-23T10:56:54.820-04:00So many posters following the lead of Boniface, cr...So many posters following the lead of Boniface, crying about the disobedience to the Bishop (only when it suits them of course). They, like the two Bishops that have issued letters about Bayside, hate Bayside. So anything the bishop says that endorses their view, they demand obedience to, and condemn those that don't OBEY the opinion and advice on frequenting the shrine and promoting the very traditional and conservative message that is Bayside.<br /><br />While it is understandable that liberal Bishops should despise Baysides conservative message (and its stunningly accurate criticism of Church hierarchy), it is less clear why so many otherwise traditional and faithful Catholics should take such pleasure in stomping fellow faithful Catholics/Bayside devotees over a Shrine and message they know so little about. After all the takeaway from the Bayside message is to pray for priest and Church, daily Rosary, daily Mass/Bible reading etc.<br /><br />Of course i doubt any of the Bayside Haters/posters will be taking a spot on the gay float to be led by Dolan or OBEYING him regarding his advice and opinion on the promotion of homosexuality in parish Masses or Saints parades. <br /><br />The law and obligation to obedience is only binding when the Bishop in turn is obeying the law, spirit and traditions of the church that are above him. In the case of Dolan he is clearly not, hence people feel free to openly reject his opinions and examples.<br /><br />Likewise at Bayside, the Bishop has a duty stated clearly in canon law to INVESTIGATE the apparitions before making any judgement. This is not just Canon law, it is common sense. This has NEVER been done! Oh, you didn't know that there has been NO INVESTIGATION of Bayside? You mean Boniface didn't tell you that little detail?<br /><br />For the bishop to then issue a negative opinion without so much as even interviewing the seer is a gross injustice. It is in fact the Bishop that is being disobedient. The letter quoted by Boniface from Bishop Mugavero was merely his advice and opinion. Never did he use the word 'condemned' in this unsigned and error strewn release. The letter even got the seers name wrong!<br /><br />Just like Dolan, his opinions and examples can but justifiably rejected.<br /><br />But alas, Boniface and the other HATERS are blissfully unaware of their own hypocrisy and double standards and total lack of justice and diligence in this matter.<br /><br />The warning is coming soon and many of you Catholics who are self satisfied and over confident in your sanctity will be in for a grievous and terrible awakening. The gravity and extent of your sins will be exposed, and given the total lack of humility, charity and diligence displayed regarding the Blessed Mothers warnings (some even, like Boniface, taking great delight in mocking the Blessed Mothers language skills). I fear some of you may not actually survive the shock of it.<br /><br />But you have all now been given fair warning and i will say no more.Truthseekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-18822896781728428072014-06-30T21:20:51.974-04:002014-06-30T21:20:51.974-04:00I'm amazed that the Bayside apparition is stil...I'm amazed that the Bayside apparition is still being discussed at all. The Bishop has issued his directive, and that should be that. Clearly, there is a troubling aspect to this whole affair, since its followers continue to DISOBEY their Bishop. Disobedience seems to be the corner stone of this sad ongoing debacle. That in itself should be reason enough to prove its falsehoods.<br /><br /><br /><br />A senior CatholicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-71873523100961689682014-04-09T10:03:58.698-04:002014-04-09T10:03:58.698-04:00Dear Boniface,
I posted a comment a few weeks ago...Dear Boniface,<br /><br />I posted a comment a few weeks ago that has still not been published. Yet my more recent comment a few days ago has now been published and you have responded to it. Can you explain this anomaly and still state that no comments have been deleted? <br /><br />Let me jog your memory if case you have forgotten my original comment. I started it by my being incredulous that another reader (Joseph) described your article as "well researched" when it is nothing of the sort, but rather just a handful of out of context quotes that you then apply varying degrees of personal misunderstanding and dislike to (as though you are some kind of authority on Marian apparitions). In fact some of your objections to Bayside are simply laughable. For example, Bayside must be false because you find one time, an Angels actions to be too frivolous for your tastes. Then i ended my comment/post by challenging your assertion at the end of the Bayside article, that Garabandal was "bunk", without actually producing any case against Garabandal whatsoever! Apparently you believe yourself such an authority that we are to just take your word for it then?<br /><br />If your new 'massive' article on Bayside is just more of the original then don't bother wasting everyone's time. It only appeals to people that despise prophecy and already HATE Bayside before they really now anything about it.<br /><br /><br />You have so far brought nothing new to the table, but rather have just become the go to spot on the internet for the haters. They can now feel secure and safe in their lack of knowledge and contempt, by being able to link to your "investigation"- LOL. As proof Bayside is a fraud!! Except the truth is there has NEVER been an investigation of Bayside so their confidence is misplaced and their sins against justice, bearing false witness and gossip can now be squarely added to your narrow young shoulders. <br /><br />If however you have actually conducted a REAL investigation into Bayside (unlike the Brooklyn chancery) and are preparing to publish, then bring on it on....if you don't continue to delete my corrections, i look forward to the battle against your false accusations.Truthseekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-73043671256318765122014-04-08T23:22:28.720-04:002014-04-08T23:22:28.720-04:00Truthseeker:
I wonder how many decent articulate ...Truthseeker:<br /><br /><i>I wonder how many decent articulate comments there have been from Baysiders pointing out the mistakes in the article that have been deleted and never published. </i><br /><br />The answer is none.<br /><br />I am working on a massive expose of Bayside that will point out the HUNDREDS of theological and historical errors in the apparitions. I will post it here when it is done.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-42416892245716035282014-04-07T18:23:08.960-04:002014-04-07T18:23:08.960-04:00I see the moderator has not bothered to post my co...I see the moderator has not bothered to post my comment criticising the calibre of the original article. Seems there is a pattern here. I wonder how many decent articulate comments there have been from Baysiders pointing out the mistakes in the article that have been deleted and never published. Something is very rotten in Denmark.Truthseekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-41289697360758399552014-04-03T17:14:07.183-04:002014-04-03T17:14:07.183-04:00Boniface,
Thank you for writing this article. I ...Boniface,<br /><br />Thank you for writing this article. I recently met a Bayside follower whose excuse for disobedience to the bishop was that the children at Fatima disobeyed their pastor and returned to the site of the apparitions (as seen in one of the movies about Fatima). <br /><br />I pray that the Bayside followers see the errors of this movement.<br /><br />I look forward to your follow up article.<br /><br />In Christ,<br /><br />MaggieMargaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-33102528387797633202014-03-25T22:21:58.533-04:002014-03-25T22:21:58.533-04:00Joseph,
I have been working on a massive one for ...Joseph,<br /><br />I have been working on a massive one for months...it is a ton of research, don't know when it will be done, but subscribe to this comment thread and I will post it here when it is complete.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-12906445917602224402014-03-25T22:12:07.102-04:002014-03-25T22:12:07.102-04:00I'm happy to have found this article; however...I'm happy to have found this article; however, I find it rather frustrating that I was unable to find other articles as well researched. Is anyone out there aware of other reasonable critiques of Bayside that go perhaps into more depth?Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-35485834409798933432014-03-22T17:57:55.272-04:002014-03-22T17:57:55.272-04:00It took me 2 years to find out that Bayside had be...It took me 2 years to find out that Bayside had been condemned by the local Bishop and as to the respect to any disciplinary precepts the bishop makes concerning the apparition and its site, they should be followed faithfully (e.g. what sacraments, if any, may be celebrated there). No Catholic should ever violate the practical norms laid down by the local bishop with respect to an alleged apparition, even if intellectually they disagree with his conclusion regarding the alleged apparition. Such disobedience would be sinful, and if it characterized the attitude of the followers of the alleged apparition it would be a sign of its inauthenticity, i.e. by producing bad fruit.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-83293915977601143582014-02-19T15:05:17.600-05:002014-02-19T15:05:17.600-05:00Excellent article. I remember as a child, my mothe...Excellent article. I remember as a child, my mother dealing with friends who became obsessed with what was (or wasn't) happening in Bayside. I don't understand why people are so determined to chase after "signs & wonders". It's so unnecessary & we have been warned against it as it's a distraction from what we need to be doing (practicing our Faith, prayer, sacrifice, rosary, sacraments etc.) I only understand those who were so hurt & confused by all of the abuses instigated by Vatican 2. I remember those years as a child & feel deep compassion for people feeling lost & rejected by their own Church & getting caught up in Bayside, Medjugore etc. God Bless Elizabeth Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706128929362846070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-65176406951138484372014-02-02T23:19:13.761-05:002014-02-02T23:19:13.761-05:00Bayside is 100% true. I owe my cure from God and t...Bayside is 100% true. I owe my cure from God and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Nothing can take that truth from me as long as I live here on earth. One day, when I meet my Creator and the Blessed Mother, I will eternally say Thank You.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-65373751099785457992013-12-21T19:17:03.738-05:002013-12-21T19:17:03.738-05:00"Are you suggesting one cannot comment on Bay..."Are you suggesting one cannot comment on Bayside unless one has read every single message? Have you?"<br /><br />No and yes. I am suggesting you at least get familiar with the messages before you write about them (oops, too late) and publicise such a withering conclusion. You only mislead people and make yourself look foolish when you make erroneous statements like "thousands upon thousands of banal messages" for one example amongst a multitude. <br /><br />But my biggest issue with your handling of Bayside is not your factual inaccuracy's, or your shallow interpretations of individual messages, and certainly not your conclusion that you find the messages "highly dubious". Its how you, in your follow up article, go after people that respectfully disagree with you. For example your response to a rather kindly comment which stated in part "I know I can't convince you- that is God's work. I will just keep praying, as I'm sure you are too."<br /><br />Your response "Okay, again, more with the persecution complex. Nobody is ridiculing you, lady." Its just unnecessarily condescending and insulting. Just because some one disagrees with your (clearly shallow) research and conclusion on Bayside does not mean they have a mild mental illness (persecution complex). Furthermore you contradict yourself in the very next sentence "Nobody is ridiculing you, lady." Really?? Labelling someone with a persecution complex is not a form of ridicule in your world? If you call Bayside stupid stupid stupid, anyone that follows Bayside must be pretty stupid too no? You can't see how insulting that is?? You can't see how unnecessary it is to talk to people that way and use such crass and provocative language? <br />I absolutely don't believe Medjugorje is legitimate. It's a slam dunk, but never in a million years would i talk to devotees with such contempt as you do, because my experience is they are are sincere and well intentioned people. I would state my opinion and why i have reached my conclusions. I would ask questions of them, but certainly not engage in crass language like "bunk" and "stupid" and ABSOLUTELY not get personal and accuse people of having mental health issues if they disagree. That fact that you can't seem to even recognise your own pride at work, and what i am saying troubles me enough to keep responding to you. I hope you will reflect on my points this time before you reply.....Banmeagainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-84891796910865684912013-12-21T17:43:17.059-05:002013-12-21T17:43:17.059-05:00Are you suggesting one cannot comment on Bayside u...Are you suggesting one cannot comment on Bayside unless one has read every single message? Have you? <br /><br />I have read enough of them, and I know a few people involved in it.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87612057021758337902013-12-21T17:41:37.172-05:002013-12-21T17:41:37.172-05:00"I don't know what you're talking abo..."I don't know what you're talking about...I did not intentionally delete any comments of yours."<br /><br />I was talking about a rather lengthy response i made to your article where amongst other things i pointed out regarding Bayside that there were not "thousands upon thousands of banal messages" as you falsely stated but rather, about 300 messages. Furthermore they most certainly are not banal but very serious. <br />Clearly then, it would seem you have deleted it by mistake? By way of apology you then state <br />"this is my blog, and I reserve the right to not publish comments for a variety of reasons, or for no reason at all, as I see fit."<br />While this is of course factually correct, i had naturally assumed that as you claim to be a practising Catholic and have a comments box you would give people a fair right of response and NOT delete comments "for no reason at all, as I see fit."<br />Part of the reason i keep coming back to challenge you Boniface, is because your whole tone and attitude is just wrong. You go on the state<br /> "It is really no skin off my back whether you waste time on my blog or not."<br />Well OK, you state you don't care, but why then do you put so much time and effort into the Bayside articles? Is it just to showcase how smart you think you are?<br /><br />You say you are writing yet another (hit-piece?)Bayside article but "it is taking me awhile because I am reading every single one of the messages".<br /><br />Um, well that's great you are going to read all the Bayside messages this time but don't you think you should have done that BEFORE you wrote the first article? It seems obvious to me that you had already decided Bayside was "Bunk" and "stupid, stupid, stupid" before you really knew anything about it. Then you simply skimmed the messages looking for what you believed were the GOTCHA moments. While i applaud the mammoth effort to read ALL the messages (your aware ALL the message would fill a very large book right?) i doubt your sincerity in doing this. I suspect you are just trolling for more "evidence" to fit your predisposition. A sincere truth seeking effort would require some time to absorb all the messages and their CONTEXT, and an effort to learn the pre-message story, the post message story and the life of the seer herself (for example she suffered terribly both physically and spiritually). <br />To be honest i could go on all night seemingly rebuking you as you give so much cause for concern and im barely scratched to surface of all you have written. But i will leave it at that(for now). I genuinely hope you will publish my post this time and not delete it again by mistake or "for no reason at all (as you see fit)". I feel we can both learn a lot from further interaction if only we care to. I shall certainly pray for you and i hope you will do the same for me. Godspeed.<br />Banmeagainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-92075613794884651032013-12-21T13:41:44.171-05:002013-12-21T13:41:44.171-05:00I don't know what you're talking about...I...I don't know what you're talking about...I did not intentionally delete any comments of yours.<br /><br />That being said, this is my blog, and I reserve the right to not publish comments for a variety of reasons, or for no reason at all, as I see fit. It is really no skin off my back whether you waste time on my blog or not.<br /><br />I spent an hour working on the Bayside article I am putting together yesterday, but it is taking me awhile because I am reading every single one of the messages. I have written elsewhere on Bayside and its false prophecies, however:<br /><br />http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2012/09/canards-of-bayside-hoax.htmlBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-18324093211211532302013-12-20T14:37:24.425-05:002013-12-20T14:37:24.425-05:00So where is my second comment then? You STILL have...So where is my second comment then? You STILL have not published it weeks later. If someone makes the effort to make a lengthy reply it should not just be ignored or deleted. Why not just publish it and reply when you have time? How long does it take to read it and click accept and post? Oh, you want to wait until you have lined up a new set of smarmy answers first and thus control the frame, and belittle people that disagree with you again apparently?<br />If i get censored for pointing out just a few of the errors in your original article why on earth would i bother wasting any more time on your blog? Banmeagainnoreply@blogger.com