tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post7749937463771178777..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: "It Was Common in the Early Church"Bonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-55117072976778789722020-05-09T13:54:08.359-04:002020-05-09T13:54:08.359-04:00Just a quick comment on RCIA.
Actually, RCIA wa...Just a quick comment on RCIA. <br /><br />Actually, RCIA was based on the 1962 or 1964 (I forget which) reform for the reception of converts. It was laid out in much the same way as RCIA.<br /><br />It never caught on, and was never really used much of anywhere. <br /><br />Most Priests kept relying on the form in the Roman Ritual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-5565766354844304462020-05-04T15:41:33.039-04:002020-05-04T15:41:33.039-04:00great comment Blue
@2nd anon, fair enough, however...great comment Blue<br />@2nd anon, fair enough, however it would be better to restore things right or not at all. for example, it would be even easier to know who the catechumens were if they had to leave after the Mass of the Catechumens is done precisely. likewise the catechumens would treat the preparation for the sacraments as more than just a "catechism 101" course if some mystery was kept, and at least some private time with a confessor before making the jump where he can check your character and not just rubber stamp anything. fwiw i did attend a parish in college that allowed the catechumens to leave, it did feel more special to welcome them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-35090228084579278182020-03-20T11:24:37.255-04:002020-03-20T11:24:37.255-04:00Let us remember that Eucharistic Prayer 2 if actua...Let us remember that Eucharistic Prayer 2 if actually written by Hippolytus was when he was a schismatic and anti-pope.<br /><br />In addition, the innovator's made significant changes to it. Thus, for example, they suppressed the phrases ut mortem solveret et vincula diaobli dirumperet, et infernum calceret et iustos illuminet ("so that He could conquer death, break the chains of Satan, trod Hell under foot, and illuminate the just"), and qua nos dignos habuisti adstare coram te et tibi sacerdotes ministrare ("for holding us worthy to stand before Thee and serve Thee as priests"). Catholic concepts which the liturgial innovators removed and all concepts the innovators and liberal Protestants abhor.<br /><br />Most significant of all, they inserted into the original text the phrase "FOR US", an action which makes their heretical intent more clear as in addition, when Eucharistic Prayer 2 is used, the Te Igitur, Memento domine, and Quam Oblationem-three prayers that unambiguously allow for the Catholic interpretion of "for us" are no longer said. Thus, there is absolutely no build-up or preparation in Eucharistic Prayer 2 for the consecration. Sneeze and you will miss it.<br /><br />In Eucharistic Prayer 2, it is impossible to understand Transubstaniation.<br /><br />Let us also remember that like Crammer and Luther, Paul VI added "which is given up for you" to the words of Consecration.<br /><br />The intent of the Novus Ordo Missae was to obfuscate, make ambiguous, and clearly deny the teachings of Catholicism as the new mission of the conciliar church is not the salvation of souls but first tolerance and then acceptance of error straight into the hearts of Catholics.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05518001443738382710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-21772941800558379592020-03-20T08:58:07.010-04:002020-03-20T08:58:07.010-04:00@Anon-
Yes that is part of the traditional Roman ...@Anon-<br /><br />Yes that is part of the traditional Roman canon. I am not saying that prayer is not traditional or something. i am just saying Eucharistic prayer 2 can be identified because it always starts with that prayer while Eucharistic Prayer 1 has various different prefaces. See here:<br /><br />https://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/RM3-EP1-4.htmBonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-61921706938320130572020-03-20T08:53:59.699-04:002020-03-20T08:53:59.699-04:00Regarding the RCIA and the catechumenate, not *eve...Regarding the RCIA and the catechumenate, not *everything* has to be restored to say that *something* was restored. At my parish, I'm conscious of who's entering the church because they've been publicly identified to us at Mass and they're asking us to pray for them. And catechumens were traditionally baptized at Easter and Pentecost (maybe Epiphany?).<br /><br />So, yes, some aspects of the RCIA restore some aspects of the catechumenate. In that respect, it's closer to the catechumenate model than having individual converts enter on their own timelines. <br /><br />It's not 100% restoration or nothing. <br /><br />--OlausAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-72172167631772156262020-03-20T08:50:04.208-04:002020-03-20T08:50:04.208-04:00"It is truly right and just, our duty and sal..."It is truly right and just, our duty and salvation"<br /><br />Isn't the "Vere dignum et iustum est" part of the Traditional Latin Mass? I think there's a mistake here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-42596540123910070492020-03-16T15:38:07.811-04:002020-03-16T15:38:07.811-04:00So much great stuff in this post! So much great stuff in this post! Ibelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04334320599309260974noreply@blogger.com