tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post7840726127178481755..comments2024-03-22T18:43:00.710-04:00Comments on Unam Sanctam Catholicam: Profile of a Theological LiberalBonifacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-10595266881934331752014-02-05T08:36:50.516-05:002014-02-05T08:36:50.516-05:00Thank you for replying. I appreciate the insight ...Thank you for replying. I appreciate the insight and your blog very much. Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-13492688858675667812014-02-04T16:21:00.579-05:002014-02-04T16:21:00.579-05:00I agree with your assessment of Genesis. The Churc...I agree with your assessment of Genesis. The Church says we cannot deny the historical nature of the events narrated; it does not mandate that we accept every detail literally. <br /><br />Genesis = History + Allegory is acceptable, but Genesis = Pure Myth is unacceptable. We have to maintain that at its core it is narrating historical events.<br /><br />Regarding your second question on the change in tone...it is because the Church itself has decided to change the manner in which it approaches things. That is the center of the whole quandary of why I started this blog - to examine this very question. Those whom I agree with more tend to say that the Church has, to some degree, adopted the trappings of the modernism it once condemned, which is at the heart of all the problems. <br />Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-15719063734949360042014-02-04T15:46:40.097-05:002014-02-04T15:46:40.097-05:00A question, if I may: I was reading through LAMENT...A question, if I may: I was reading through LAMENTABILI SANE and I noticed that there is such a difference even in the language used there from the way the Church speaks today.<br /><br />Why do you think that is? Why has the Church put aside references to sacred authority and stopped speaking so clearly, such as in calling out "progressing dogmas" as "corrupting" them?<br /><br />I don't understand how "one" Church - and I do believe in one, holy, catholic, apostolic Church - could be so seemingly divided in just a bit over 100 years. How?!<br /><br /> Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-89017689295848236662014-02-04T15:15:28.986-05:002014-02-04T15:15:28.986-05:00Yes, I agree that Genesis is historical. But to w...Yes, I agree that Genesis is historical. But to what extent? Is it the rendering of events as we would expect according to modern historical study standards? <br /><br />Was Man's first sin in the concrete sense really taking an apple from a tree after being told not to? And was his name really "Adam"? Or perhaps does Genesis speak to the "real events" of history in a way that the first sin of man was disobedience of God, which is not only religiously true but historically true as well, understood rightly?Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-45072912411741596512014-02-04T14:49:33.110-05:002014-02-04T14:49:33.110-05:00It is preferable for a Catholic to do both.
See t...It is preferable for a Catholic to do both.<br /><br />See the citations above. This is what the popes have taught. This isn't me making up my own opinions. If you want to argue about it, that's fine, but make your argument against the documents, not against me simply posting what they say.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-67848656122227580552014-02-04T14:34:00.728-05:002014-02-04T14:34:00.728-05:00"A liberal believes that it is no longer expe..."A liberal believes that it is no longer expedient for Catholicism to be the formal religion of the State; liberals thus profess an American style separation of Church and State and deny that religious liberty will lead to indifferentism."<br /><br />Isn't it preferable for Catholics to actually come to own their faith rather than for them to simply inherit it culturally? <br /><br />Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-61146592109799886942014-02-04T14:32:55.694-05:002014-02-04T14:32:55.694-05:00You see, this is where things get confusing. The f...You see, this is where things get confusing. The fact that Genesis is not "meant" to teach history does not mean the history related in Genesis is not true. <i>Humani Generis</i> 38 teaches that the first 11 chapters of Genesis do reflect real history, and even the CCC says that Gen. 1-3 is a record of real events. Things get all confused when people start talking about Genesis not being 'meant' as history. Sure, it might not be 'meant' as history, just like the Epistle of Galatians isn't meant as history. But that does not mean that the historical events related in Galatians are false - such as the story of Paul rebuking Peter; similarly, the fact that Genesis does not teach history does not mean it is not historical. The Church has said as much.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-91193502567181315792014-02-04T14:28:57.696-05:002014-02-04T14:28:57.696-05:00But Genesis is not a science book. It was not wri...But Genesis is not a science book. It was not written to relate scientific or historical (in the literal sense) facts. Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-85615508899940937352014-01-31T21:48:41.139-05:002014-01-31T21:48:41.139-05:00Quite damning post. Essentially all modern popes a...Quite damning post. Essentially all modern popes and clerics are liberals then, and the Church unofficially endorsed Liberalism quite a while ago. And who cares what the official line is, if all the officials no longer believe it, right?JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06684142528414196410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27356471578448829292014-01-29T13:13:20.793-05:002014-01-29T13:13:20.793-05:00Pretty much...liberalism is the fruit of the moder...Pretty much...liberalism is the fruit of the modernist movement. Modernism was a way to introduce liberalism into the Church...the end goal was liberalism, modernism was the means they used.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-46890253230635382762014-01-29T12:41:27.496-05:002014-01-29T12:41:27.496-05:00In essence, then, the Church definition of "l...In essence, then, the Church definition of "liberal" is "Modernist."c mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27355116186550083202014-01-29T12:40:04.027-05:002014-01-29T12:40:04.027-05:00I don't think the problem with the Fourth Esta...I don't think the problem with the Fourth Estate is a government muzzle, but rather a self-muzzling. It is true that many times the MSM presents falsehoods, but the bigger problem is the liberal bias in reporting - that is, what they report may be somewhat accurate in certain brute facts, but other facts are omitted or slanted to give it the preferred viewpoint.c mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-6914442590069416962014-01-28T23:16:41.274-05:002014-01-28T23:16:41.274-05:00@Jack Tollers, I just read your introduction to Pa...@Jack Tollers, I just read your introduction to Padre Castellani again and it seems to acquire ever more urgent relevance as the days pass. Will you be translating your catechism for difficult times into English for us? And also the Catena Argentea? And of course more Castellani?<br /><br />All the best.Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910654300435533408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-84979398504917089972014-01-27T13:42:54.023-05:002014-01-27T13:42:54.023-05:00Just another mad Catholic:
"[...] to illustr...Just another mad Catholic:<br /><br />"[...] to illustrate that there is no going back to the Altar and throne"<br /><br />You didn't do that at all, though. You just, as you yourself say, took it to the extreme. That illustrates nothing but the potentiality of extremism, which is existant always and everywhere.Bonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-82159215612955447492014-01-27T03:49:50.571-05:002014-01-27T03:49:50.571-05:00According to Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi, "...According to Apostolicae Sedis Moderationi, "Those who either publicly or privately teach or defend propositions" enumerated above merit excommunication latae sententiae. Which, if not excused by the ignorance of the law, would excommunicate all the clergy in my diocese and much of the US.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10784907807059658921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-27060141157358045442014-01-26T19:34:11.982-05:002014-01-26T19:34:11.982-05:00Thank you for your clarifications
I admit that I...Thank you for your clarifications <br /><br />I admit that I posed extreme examples in points three and four simply to illustrate that there is no going back to the Altar and throne arrangement that you documented in "Sacred Kingship".<br /><br /><br /><br />Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-62911004156402910042014-01-26T10:53:21.041-05:002014-01-26T10:53:21.041-05:00Mad Catholic-
1) Very true. I make no claim on th...Mad Catholic-<br /><br />1) Very true. I make no claim on the infallibility of these documents; I only point out that these are tenets associated with liberal Catholicism, according to the Magisterium.<br /><br />2) I don't think it means we need to cite things verbatim, but I think it means that we should not seek to introduce novel terminology into the Faith, as if the traditional verbiage was insufficient. Paul VI in the post-Conciliar era said the same thing; see the encyclical <i>Mysterium Fidei.</i><br /><br />3) I'm not proposing any structure. Only noting what the Church says. Also, note that a state with an established Church is not the same thing as a state with feudalism. Feudalism and established Catholicism were often found together, but they are two fundamentally different things and need not be yoked. Italy is a classic example; they always had a state Church, but never really had feudalism, save in the extreme south.<br /><br />4)You are going to extremes here. While the press certainly need not be a mouthpiece for the Church, that does not mean it needs absolute leeway to say and publish anything whatsoever. <br /><br />Again, I am not proposing any solutions of how to realign modern society on these principles; I am only noting that the Church Magisterium has stated that the above mentioned positions are signs of liberal-progressivism.Bonifacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672810254075072214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-18065075036047740662014-01-26T10:20:47.893-05:002014-01-26T10:20:47.893-05:00A few Issues Boniface
1) You seem to forget that...A few Issues Boniface <br /><br />1) You seem to forget that whilst these papal encyclicals contain infallible truths they are not themselves infallible <br /><br />2) Could not forming an alliance of religious people against secularism be a way (a) to strengthen our position through strength of numbers and (b) be an opportunity to convert people with whom we might not otherwise have an opportunity to witness to? I think of Gov. Huckabee's assertion that "we're all Catholics now" in supporting the fight against the HHS mandate, with the continuing promotion of Orthodox men to the Episcopacy in the US not a few evangelicals are seeing us as reliable allies against the culture of death ,this is a great opportunity to show our separated brethren (many of whom are actually more moral than many Catholics) that whilst they do posse some theological truth they do subscribe to much error as well.<br /><br />2) Does the prohibition against changing the expression of the Faith mean that one must quote the catechism verbatim when seeking to convert others? Or are we allowed to explain the Faith in language that a simple peasant can understand? <br /><br />3) Whilst I would love the state to be the Sword and Shield of the Church as much as the next guy, what structure do you propose to achieve this in a country such as America which has never had a monarchy? Indeed although many European Countries still have constitutional monarchs, I doubt that you'll find one willing to go back to the inherently unjust feudal system now that they've had a century plus of elected, accountable government and individual property / political rights. <br /><br />4) Must the Fourth Estate be muzzled to the point where they are simply another version of Pravda or TASS News? Again good luck with convincing Americans or even Europeans (where we've traditionally been more accepting of government interference in the press when it comes to national security) that the press become merely the Church's mouthpiece. Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-43642714499342922362014-01-26T07:15:07.240-05:002014-01-26T07:15:07.240-05:00A liberal thinks that everyone has a right to say ...A liberal thinks that everyone has a right to say and write whatever he likes on any subject under the sun.<br /><br />Except traditionalists like Boniface... and the Franciscans of the Immaculate, and Gnochi, and Palamaro, and so no.Jack Tollershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06335680876786251157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6086833995941525990.post-87594984925239427802014-01-26T07:05:49.833-05:002014-01-26T07:05:49.833-05:00Well said. I have very serious cancer and could di...Well said. I have very serious cancer and could die at any moment. Blessed be God and thanks and praises to Him that I am allowed to know this. It means that I am very focussed on what is necessary for my salvation. I pray for the grace of final perseverance. This is a time of great trial and the Holy Catholic Church is going through a great trial but we must remain faithfull no matter what. We must trust that Jesus will be with His Church always and in the final analysis He will not allow Peter to fail even were Peter to deny Him again and run away from the Crucifixion.ellennoreply@blogger.com